jtryka Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 I bought this coin recently since I thought it was pretty, so let's have some fun and guess the grade! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbbpll Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 I'm always wrong so why not. MS62★ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAULEMALL Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 (edited) Man... I am glad i know I can't grade Gold for ... AU60 Edited August 13, 2020 by MAULEMALL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coinbuf Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 MS60 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkFeld Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 If it straight graded, my guess would be MS61 and I hope it didn't grade higher than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Gold tends to be more generously graded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollarfan Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 i think ms63 is the grade it got but it looks 61 to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebo Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 My original,thought is MS 60 and I'm sticking to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Bob Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 My first thought when you posted it in the newp thread was MS61, so I will go with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LINCOLNMAN Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 60-61 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Because at my grading class I saw some really hacked up gold with decent grades on them, I'll go MS62. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insider Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 I'll give it a try. I see no friction wear on the coin. It is NOT AU. It is MS. On coins like this, there is no price spread between 60 & 62 so everything a TPGS does for a particular coin is a guess. Example: A finalizer once told me that $2 1/2 Indians start at MS-62! This coin is the "poster child" for the MS-60 grade but that grade is seldom used anymore so it is probably graded NGC MS-61. Without all the MAJOR hits - NGC MS-62. However, I hope the 4 tiny areas of discoloration (etched surface?) at the obverse rim knock it back where it belongs, my personal MS-60. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex in PA. Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 MS 61 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonnieR131 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 61 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tejas1836 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 MS 61 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmarguli Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 MS61 (opinion which I formed before looking at other guesses). However, the coin looks flashy and the TPG are awfully forgiving with gold, so they may have rewarded that with a MS62. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtryka Posted August 14, 2020 Author Share Posted August 14, 2020 Well, as I always like to point out, cameras seem to magnify gold flaws by about 30x while blurring out anything nice, which when added to my poor phone photography skills likely makes this one look far worse than it actually looks in hand. That said, the first quess was the right one, as this one graded MS-62★ which was likely due to the prooflike cameo that wasn't quite enough for the PL designation. Coinbuf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James_OldeTowne Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 My initial guess was MS-61, but for prooflike coins, it isn't uncommon to see them graded (seemingly) a point higher than one might expect. I've always surmised that the reflectivity tends to unfairly emphasize the appearance of disturbances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbbpll Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 44 minutes ago, jtryka said: the first quess was the right one, as this one graded MS-62★ Holy expletive, what do I win? Insider 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtryka Posted August 14, 2020 Author Share Posted August 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, kbbpll said: Holy expletive, what do I win? A heartfelt congratulations and hopefully some fun! kbbpll 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coinbuf Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Very nice, looks like I need some grading classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 (edited) Uncirculated (60), damaged. Sorry, but no sane person is going to pay the value of s MS-62 for that coin; and I specifically reject the "grade" as false. At least it's genuine. Edited August 16, 2020 by RWB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbbpll Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 I don't think it's that bad @RWB, if you look at the definition of MS62 on the Sheldon scale. And at least it's consistent. I sort of cheated with my (winning!) guess. It was based on this one on Heritage, also MS62*. I had to take a close look because at first glance it seemed to be the same coin, but isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAULEMALL Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 Am I the only one that thought it might have been thumbed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insider Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 4 hours ago, RWB said: Uncirculated (60), damaged. Sorry, but no sane person is going to pay the value of s MS-62 for that coin; and I specifically reject the "grade" as false. At least it's genuine. As I wrote above, there is not much difference in price between a 60, 61, or 62 bullion coin. 41 minutes ago, MAULEMALL said: Am I the only one that thought it might have been thumbed? Probably and someone thought it was AU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insider Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 1 hour ago, kbbpll said: I don't think it's that bad @RWB, if you look at the definition of MS62 on the Sheldon scale. And at least it's consistent. I sort of cheated with my (winning!) guess. It was based on this one on Heritage, also MS62*. I had to take a close look because at first glance it seemed to be the same coin, but isn't. This coin is much nicer than the OP's. This MS-62 is close to a 63. The OP's 62 is closer to a 60 for two of us posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbbpll Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 49 minutes ago, Insider said: This coin is much nicer than the OP's. This MS-62 is close to a 63. The OP's 62 is closer to a 60 for two of us posting. This is where I love a learning experience. How much difference is there, really? Granted, all we have are images on here, and there's hardly any difference in value. You put these almost 3 grade points apart. I tally up the various marks and severity, and it's almost a tossup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walkerfan Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 (edited) I would have said 61 for the OP's coin. It has a nice strike and really nice luster but it's pretty heavily bag marked. Edited August 16, 2020 by Walkerfan Insider 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insider Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 Images can be very deceiving due to lighting. Turning and tipping a coin in different light sources can make bad characteristics disappear while accentuating good qualities. Eye appeal is everything. Grading is SUBJECTIVE: 1. I notice you did not post the reverse of the coins. The reverse is MUCH LESS important YET the OP's coin is the loser here. 2. The lighting on the OP's coin is very intense making marks show better. The luster on the other coin is more even and attractive - to me. 3. While the marks on both coins APPEAR to be similar, they are not. You cannot leave out LOCATION and SEVERITY. The OP's coin is the loser here also. 4. I want to know what the "etched" areas on the OP's coin look like under magnification. Finally, if I were a dealer, (based on my comments and the images), I should sell the OP's coin as a COMMERCIAL MS-62 (as graded) and sell the other at MS-63 raw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAULEMALL Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 9 hours ago, Insider said: As I wrote above, there is not much difference in price between a 60, 61, or 62 bullion coin. Probably and someone thought it was AU. AU 60 Is my grade for thumbed sliders.. Wouldn't pay MS money... Just a personal thing... Insider 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
