So-Called Dollars as "Competitive Coins"? 0

[Bruce Thomas Collection]

Why are 13 of my So-Called Dollar medals listed as "Competitive Coins", and the remainder of my large collection is not listed as "Competitive Coins"? I did not think that Custom Sets in the NGC Registry were counted as "Competitive Coins". Please advise.

[Ali E.]

15 hours ago, Bruce Thomas Collection said:

Why are 13 of my So-Called Dollar medals listed as "Competitive Coins", and the remainder of my large collection is not listed as "Competitive Coins"? I did not think that Custom Sets in the NGC Registry were counted as "Competitive Coins". Please advise.

Thank for your interest, Bruce.

We do have one competitive NGC Registry set for SCD here: https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive/united-states/tokens-and-medals/4350/. Please click here for inventory information: 

 

 

Edited January 9, 2020 by Ali E.

[Bruce Thomas Collection]

Ali,

The only SCD types that are listed in the link that you sent are the Manilla Mint Wilson HK-449 and HK-450 types. I am not familiar with the Competitive Sets listings, but none of the (13) of my "Competitive Coins" are of these types. Please advise as to what I am not understanding. Are only certain SCD types eligible, but others are not eligible for Competitive Sets?

Thanks,

Bruce

[Ali E.]

1 hour ago, Bruce Thomas Collection said:

Ali,

The only SCD types that are listed in the link that you sent are the Manilla Mint Wilson HK-449 and HK-450 types. I am not familiar with the Competitive Sets listings, but none of the (13) of my "Competitive Coins" are of these types. Please advise as to what I am not understanding. Are only certain SCD types eligible, but others are not eligible for Competitive Sets?

Thanks,

Bruce

Our apologies, Bruce.

Some coins may appear in your "competitive coins" inventory on the new site, despite the fact that there are no available "competitive" sets for them. We are still working out the "bugs" as we make constant updates to the new NGC Registry on NGCcoin.com. The only competitive SCD registry set is the one I mentioned. Thank you.

[realone]

This a question directed to Bruce Thomas.

Bruce you have the lovely HK-11f pl64 , was it previously graded by NGC prior to it being recently reholdered in the 11f for silver holder and if so what was on the ngc holder? Thanks

 

[Bruce Thomas Collection]

realone,

I purchased this medal already graded by NGC. I questioned the seller about any past history for this medal. He told me that he had purchased the medal raw from the widow of a long-time acquaintance of his, along with several other quite rare So-Called Dollar medals. He would not disclose a name or where this couple were from. The person that I purchased the medal from is the person that sent the medal to NGC in 2017 for grading.

There is a NGC news story dated 11/14/2017 detailing the newly found silver variety of the Bombardment of Fort Sumter medal. See attached link below to the NGC news story. I am very fortunate to have been able to purchase this 1 of 1 medal.

I also own the Top Pop of only (2) HK-11e copper Fort Sumter medal with the type two eagle reverse. I am very proud to be the owner and caregiver of these two medals, along with the rest of my collection.

https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/6258/Fort-Sumter-Medal/

[realone]

Thank you Bruce,

there seems to be an increase in interest in this Fort Sumter HK-11 series. If you visit PCGS Coin Universe you will find there are a number of members there that either collect these and/or are extremely interested. 

On your registry I saw you updated it with a recent sale on 1/28 that a member of the PCGS Coin Universe just won. It was a white metal in NGC PL62. I am personally waiting for the HK-11 DPL64 that is in the pop report to add to my collection. Have you ever seen it?

Thank you

[Bruce Thomas Collection]

No I have not personally seen that example. I own a HK-11 white metal in Unc Details with rim damage. It appears to have been made into a jewelry item sometime in the past, as the obverse rims are pinched at 3:30 and 8:30. Otherwise, it would probably grade 62 or 63 and possibly prooflike.

I was going to be in on the 62PL example until it went stratospherically high!

I would love to own a high grade HK-11 white metal example to add to my set. I also own a HK-11c copper in MS 65 RB that was formerly from the famous Ostheimer Collection. I purchased this medal from Jeff Shevlin in 2017.

Thank you for your interest in these very interesting medals struck by George Hampden Lovett. Have you ever been to Fort Sumter off the coast of Charleston, SC? It is a very interesting and powerful location. Just knowing the event that happened there gives you goose bumps being on the island. My late Father-in-law was from Sumter, SC, so we have made (2) trips to Fort Sumter island while visiting my wife's uncles and aunts that still live in Sumter.

[realone]

Bruce,

I reviewed I believe all your pieces, a wonderful collection.  Are you still searching for a Brass example HK-b or do you have one and I missed it? And your hk-11c is gorgeous and obviously in very high grade.

To answer your last question: I have never seen Fort Sumter, just viewed photos and of course admire its incredible history.

Edited March 3, 2021 by realone

[Bruce Thomas Collection]

I do not own either of the brass metal types HK-11a or HK-11b, nor the Type II reverse white metal HK-11d.

I do however own Top Pop examples of George McClellan political campaign medals in white metal MS 63 PL and brass MS 65. The obverse is the candidate pictured with his name surrounding his portrait, and the reverse is the Type II eagle reverse from the Fort Sumter medals. The brass metal type was unknown for this political medal type until I found my example and had it graded by NGC. These medals are catalogued as Dewitt-GMcC-1864-8. You can see them in my Registry set if you wish.

[GeorgeM]

HK-11 is definitely on my "keep an eye out" list. It's up there with the HK-876 (Denver Mint Opening) for rarity, simple eye-appeal, and historical significance. If I come across an example that I can afford, it'll probably be because someone doesn't recognize what they have (that's how I got my HK-324 (the 1904 launching of the Armored Cruiser California) and 3 examples of HK-803 (the 1919 Saviours of Victory)). I may be getting close to completing as much of the set as I ever want to; there are a lot of the late 19th century and mid 20th century medals that are just... well, ugly to me. And, I don't think I would want the KKK medal even if it was given away. 

Still, I put in a request for a complete "So-Called Dollars" category around the time of the first post in this thread, and still haven't seen any progress on that. Is NGC any closer to recognizing the series as a whole on the competitive register?