South Africa Mint issued QE II 1995 commemorative set – the Gold Sovereign, Silver & a Nickel crown did not receive NGC grading as NGC claim ‘no COA’ yet legal tender by SA Mint! 2 2

[morganthebrave]

Hi Matt and NGC Team

A while back I sent off the above Royal Visit of QEII to South Africa commemorative set only to have the gold Sovereign and the two crowns come back with the grading 'Ineligible/ No COA'.

Herewith the grading results from NGC of two of the three coins (The Gold Sovereign I have not included the number but had the same grading result description):

 

Below is link to a picture of the issued coin set in the top left of the picture with the full set of coins. The South Africa Mint used stock they had of older coins as part of the set and minted three new coins to complete the set. These coins consisted of a newly struck 1995 gold Sovereign (that is stamped with 'SA' as depicted in the below picture) with two new crowns dated 1995 (refer to the picture that show the crowns  flanking either side of the gold sovereign). One crown is made of silver and the second crown is made of nickel. The gold Sovereign and two crowns were minted and issued by the South Africa Mint to a selected Dignitaries during the QEII visit to South Africa. The QEII also received a set of these coins. The Effigy is of QEII and the reverse on the gold Sovereign is the usual St George slaying the Dragon  (with the usual' 'SA' initials indicating South Africa).  The two crowns have QEII effigy on the obverse and the usual ER on the reverse flanked by supporting wording  and South Africa.

https://www.randcoin.co.za/en/item/6994-royal-visit-by-queen-elizabeth-ii-to-south-africa-set

Although the gold Sovereign and two crowns is, in my opinion, very poorly made and not to the standard we are used to seeing coming from the SA mint, they nevertheless were minted by the South Africa Mint and should be graded by NGC.

Here are the pictures of the empty set case with the inside showing SA Mint and the outside (Box is black with no writing on the outside):

In the 2018 2nd edition South Africa MTB Coin reference book on page 263/4 you can clearly see the pictures of the obverse and reverse of the gold sovereign and crowns. Reference numbers are NE22 (Silver Crown, NE24(nickel Crown) and NE23 (Gold Sovereign). An estimated 30 complete sets were issued to various Dignitaries.

Would NGC please review the three coins in question for grading. Many South Africa Collectors would be most appreciative if the NGC Graders would accept the three coins (Sovereign and two crowns) to be graded in the future.

I look forward to your kind response.

Regards,

Morgan

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[Matt G]

Thank you for your post. I have reached out to both my operations and grading teams to discuss this situation. I will provide the details as soon as they become available. 

[morganthebrave]

Matt much appreciated. Your efforts, as always, are most highly commendable.

Edited September 28, 2018 by morganthebrave
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[Matt G]

Thank you for your patience. Please submit the two coins back to NGC for grading on a new submission form. Please write, "Attention Dave Camire," in bold letters across the form. Please provide any documentation you may have along with the submission. 

[morganthebrave]

Thank you Matt and NGC Team for your help on this matter.

[morganthebrave]

All - good news! 

South Africa Mint Official confirm minting the 1995 QEII two crowns and gold sovereign!

Matt I will be sending shortly the information and coins to Dave Camire.

Thank you for your help.

[Matt G]

Thank you. Please mark the invoice as "Attention Dave Camire".

[morganthebrave]

Hi Matt

 

Have done as per your instructions - thank you. Pic attached of submission form.

 

[morganthebrave]

the three coins in question have arrived and now lets wait and see what the NGC Graders will revert back with?

[morganthebrave]

Here is the submission entery note awaiting the kind review of Dave Camire:

To aid Dave and other NGC graders in coming to a conclusion, I sent them a free printed copy of the MTB coin catalog on South Africa coins (2018 - 20) as the information in the catalog does provide a health account of the three QEII South Africa Mint struck coins / medals. The SA Mint have also verified they did strike them.

So far all compliments to Matt for his continuous assistance on this website. This method of contacting NGC has been most helpful and so far for the majority of inquiries. Thank you MATT from all Numismatists

[morganthebrave]

Must be a long meeting with the NGC Graders on this subject as still pending:

[morganthebrave]

Yippee! Coins now recognized and graded as such! Thank you NGC Graders for the review and accepting the submitted documentation proof.

[Just Bob]

Congratulations. Your persistence paid off. And hats off to our hosts, as well.

[morganthebrave]

Thank you 'Just Bob' for the cool comment. There was a  limited amount of these sets  handed out to Officials during the QEII visit to South Africa. Estimated around 30 sets only so that would make the three coins rare. :)

[morganthebrave]

NGC have done a good job in reviewing the submitted information and coming to the correct verdict of been eligible for grading.

[Just Bob]

2 hours ago, morganthebrave said:

 There was a  limited amount of these sets  handed out to Officials during the QEII visit to South Africa. Estimated around 30 sets only so that would make the three coins rare.

If you don't mind me asking: how did you manage to acquire yours?

[morganthebrave]

Hi Just Bob

I was fortunate to obtain a original set (comes in a red holder with several other mint state coins) from a fellow Numismatist which I am very grateful of also paying a fair market price for the coin set.

[Just Bob]

1 hour ago, morganthebrave said:

Hi Just Bob

I was fortunate to obtain a original set (comes in a red holder with several other mint state coins) from a fellow Numismatist which I am very grateful of also paying a fair market price for the coin set.

Very cool! Congratulations on the score and the grades!

[morganthebrave]

Thank you for the kind comments Just Bob