1922 Peace Dollar Counterstamped 0

[Peter209]

I found this coin going through my Grandpas stuff cant really find anything online, like to see if I can get this Coin graded and more info on it and sale

 

 

Edited September 20, 2018 by Peter209

[Just Bob]

That looks amazingly like this coin, which sold today - the same day as your post - on Ebay. Even the scratch on Liberty's cheek and the glare and shadow  on the holder are identical.

So did you sell Grandpa's coin, or did Grandpa sell it to you?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Link to the auction

[Peter209]

I will re take Pictures,

[Peter209]

Can you tell me more about this, found this in a box of books and other silver coins

[Peter209]

are these able to get graded ?

[Peter209]

see current pics

[Six Mile Rick]

I am pretty sure that NGC does not grade altered coins. As there are probably many altered counter stamp coins it would make a fun raw ungraded collection. For a grading company they are altered after minted and would be details. You might get that put in a NGC slab though but more than likely it would be BU details altered.

[Six Mile Rick]

7 hours ago, Just Bob said:

That looks amazingly like this coin, which sold today - the same day as your post - on Ebay. Even the scratch on Liberty's cheek and the glare and shadow  on the holder are identical.

So did you sell Grandpa's coin, or did Grandpa sell it to you?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Link to the auction

Good Find Bob!!!   Even the toning on the counter stamp matches.

Grandpa's Coin   

[Just Bob]

You have to understand that posting a picture of a coin that is obviously not yours is something that some of us are going to have fun with. I would like to see pictures of your actual coin, though.

Edited to add: I see now where you have replaced the Ebay pics with pics of your coin. Looks good !

 

The only way that NGC will grade/slab these is if they are listed as a so-called dollar by Hibler and Kaplan, or as another type of medal, or as Rick said, as an impaired coin. You could try asking them on the "ask NGC" forum, since a company representative monitors that forum, or you could email or call their toll free number.

This is the info from the Ebay auction:

1922 Brilliant Uncirculated U.S. Peace dollar counter-stamped 1993 Middle East Peace accord included it's certificate of Authenticity & its box. Beautiful rare uncirculated Peace Accord counter-stamped dollar. It comes in an air-tite capsule as shown. This is a 1922 brilliant uncirculated United States Peace dollar counter-stamped for the 1993 Middle East Peace Accord. The Peace Accord between the Palestinian Liberation Organization and Israel disintegrated after a Zionist extremist assassinated Israeli Prime Minister Rabin on 4 November 1995. This coin is a very rare and interesting commemorative of the accord, and an encouragement for a future peace. From the following site

http://www.angelfire.com/indie/frimerke/we find out that 50 of these were issued IN Norway, and presented to, among others: 

Johan J Holst (the Norwegian Minister of Foreign Affairs) 

Terje R(architect of the agreement) 

Mona Juul (architect of the agreement) 

Jan Egeland 

Yitzhak Rabin (Israeli prime minister) 

William Jefferson Clinton (US president) 

Yasser Arafat (chairman of the Palestinian Authority) 

Sheik Yassin (head of Hamas) 

Mahmoud Abbas (architect of the agreement) 

Ehud Barak (Israeli Chief of the IDF) 

Yossi Beilin (architect of the agreement) 

Ron Pundak (architect of the agreement) 

Shimon Peres (architect of the agreement) 

A few undistributed pieces appeared on the auction market in the late 1990s after the dissolution of the host organisation. They are very rare, and while some sold at auction for as much as 1500 euros, a few have sold around 2005-2006 on eBay, mostly from an American coin dealer who obtained about eight pieces from a Christie's New York auction. These brought lower prices, averaging 

about $500 to $750. This group of coins has since been dispersed, mostly to collectors in Israel and Saudi Arabia. 

There is another coin website where you can see how many of these coins have been sold and for how much and where!!

Certificate of Authenticity tells us the following:

Originally minted over 70 years ago by the United States government, the Peace Dollar was issued to mark the termination of hostilities between the U.S. and Germany, and is the first coin ever minted to commemorate peace. Of the over 190 million Peace Dollars that were struck by the Unites States mint from 1921 until 1935, only 10,000 Brilliant Uncirculated specimens were selected to bear this special Middle East Peace Accord counter-stamp. This very unique counter-stamp, desined by Dan Rosen, contains an illustration of two doves symbolizing peace, as well as the courageous participants involved: The Israelis and Palestinians.

Edited September 18, 2018 by Just Bob

[Conder101]

With the documentation ICG MIGHT slab it. They tend to slab a lot of strange stuff.

This seems to be a copycat project based on the counterstamp issue of Mel Wacks for the Camp David Peace Accords of 1978.

[coinman1794]

I had to do a double take because, at first, I thought this was the Mel Wacks 1978 counterstamp, at first.

 

[coinman1794]

On 9/18/2018 at 7:29 AM, Six Mile Rick said:

I am pretty sure that NGC does not grade altered coins. As there are probably many altered counter stamp coins it would make a fun raw ungraded collection. For a grading company they are altered after minted and would be details. You might get that put in a NGC slab though but more than likely it would be BU details altered.

NGC does grade counterstamped coins if they are widely collectible. Counterstamped Bust quarters and halves are an example, as are chop marked Trade dollars. I don't know if they would slab this or not. It would have to be published in a reference they trust.

Edited September 20, 2018 by coinman1794

[Six Mile Rick]

I stand corrected. Thanks for the info Coinman. 

[SHOTTS]

Spoiler

 

NGC does grade them 

 

Edited March 7, 2020 by SHOTTS

[SHOTTS]