coinman_23885 9,083 posts Report post Posted December 8, 2016 (edited) There is plenty of luster in hand (more than shows in the images). In hand, I do not see any abrasions that are "hidden" behind the toning and the toning is not dark (the luster shines through it). Edited December 8, 2016 by coinman_23885 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
physics-fan3.14 14,845 posts Report post Posted December 8, 2016 Very attractive toning. The strike is actually pretty good for the date, and the luster appears strong. The marks on the eagle's breast and waist are going to really hurt the grade, since they are in focal areas. I would call this a very attractive 65, but wouldn't be surprised to see it in a 66 holder (is it graded by ANACS? The holder makes me think Anacs. If its Anacs, I'd bet its in a 66 holder). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walkerfan 4,936 posts Report post Posted December 8, 2016 I agree with Jason. I'd say, at least 65 and shot at 66, with those smooth obverse fields and great color and very decent strike. Without those unfortunate marks across the eagles breast; it would grade higher---possibly 66+ or even 67. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkFeld 12,821 posts Report post Posted December 8, 2016 My brain tells me that the marks on the eagle are exaggerated significantly by the large image and don't look nearly as bad in-hand. But my eyes are overriding my brain, so I will guess MS65, rather than a higher grade. Regardless, it's a very attractive coin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerseycat10 2,071 posts Report post Posted December 8, 2016 I'm probably being a bit harsh, but I think the reverse limits it to 65, maybe even 64. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark T 2,905 posts Report post Posted December 8, 2016 I am in the MS 66 crowd. Looks lie a nice coin . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny9434 5,211 posts Report post Posted December 8, 2016 ill go with ms 64. ( fwiw ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coinman_23885 9,083 posts Report post Posted December 8, 2016 Thank you everyone! In hand, the obverse is very clean to the unaided eye. The luster is stronger. On the reverse, the marks are less conspicuous but still obviously limit the grade. I posted this because I thought, despite the marks on the reverse, the coin was worthy of a gem grade. NGC disagreed and called it MS64. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nutmeg Coin 3,303 posts Report post Posted December 9, 2016 I was thinking 66; seldom do you see a Walker with that exceptional eye appeal. I would try it again until they (or another service) gets it right. A major submitter who really knows dollars and does bulk submissions has been shocked at how conservative NGC has gotten from time to time. The only downside there is with that is they get less classic coins submissions, while the Asian/world market is booming as well as moderns. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkFeld 12,821 posts Report post Posted December 9, 2016 I was thinking 66; seldom do you see a Walker with that exceptional eye appeal. I would try it again until they (or another service) gets it right. A major submitter who really knows dollars and does bulk submissions has been shocked at how conservative NGC has gotten from time to time. The only downside there is with that is they get less classic coins submissions, while the Asian/world market is booming as well as moderns. There's not a significant value spread between a 64 and a 65. So if it's not going to grade 66, repeated resubmissions would likely be a waste of time and money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
