Should large coin shows have airborne video surveillance?

[RWB]

Should large coin shows have airborne video surveillance from small quad-drones, or cameras strung on wires over the bourse? (What about camera-toting pigeons?)

 

Could this help deter theft or maybe embarrass us fat guys into losing weight?

[cpm9ball]

Should large coin shows have airborne video surveillance from small quad-drones, or cameras strung on wires over the bourse? (What about camera-toting pigeons?)

 

Could this help deter theft or maybe embarrass us fat guys into losing weight?

 

Roger, you're from the DC area. You should know that pigeon poop in the downtown area is messy as heck!

 

Chris

[Conder101]

No, typically high level video isn't very good, in order to have good clear video at each dealers table you would have to have a drone hovering over every table. It makes much more sense for each dealer to set up his own cameras covering his area. Some dealers already do this.

[RWB]

OK. I go to big coin shows so infrequently that I had not noticed the individual video cameras.

 

Now, about the pigeon poop -- I think that's a good way to mark the crooks until security can execute them. I will discuss this with the pigeons!

[Nutmeg Coin]

The more the better; Orwell was wrong as big brother technologies can be an invaluable asset in getting to the bottom of crimes of all types. There really is no excuse for major shows to not have comprehensive surveillance, expecting individual dealers to bring cameras with them and set them up is too onerous.

[RWB]

There are good and bad to everything humans do. That is our nature.

[cpm9ball]

Now, about the pigeon poop -- I think that's a good way to mark the crooks until security can execute them. I will discuss this with the pigeons!

 

Chris

[coinman1794]

No, typically high level video isn't very good, in order to have good clear video at each dealers table you would have to have a drone hovering over every table. It makes much more sense for each dealer to set up his own cameras covering his area. Some dealers already do this.

 

You beat me to the punch. Today, with digital everything, its not terribly difficult to set up your own camera, which will be much more useful in the event of a heist than a drone that may or may not be looking in the right direction.

[KMAG100]

I think if I were a dealer I would focus on my booth. One could set up personal cameras on some kind of a light weight framing pointing right down on their cases. Costco sells some very reasonable systems. Why would that not work? Set them up on tripods or some kind of telescoping pole.

 

It's the dealers coins, why wouldn't they take on the responsibility? why would they see that as a venue responsibility?

[cpm9ball]

Wasn't Florida considering an "open carry" permit for firearms?

 

Chris

[ldhair]

The pigeons won't do it. The fat ones work hard but can't hover for very long and the thin ones (young ones) won't work for bird feed. They want time and a half just to show up for work.

[messydesk]

Why not just give the pages GoPro helmets and all the candy and caffeinated soda they want?

[RWB]

Tiny cameras on each slab....or maybe a new marketing gimmick - build in programmable security chips in each slab that are turned on at a show and emit a loud "I've been stolen!" squawk if moved more then 5 meters from the dealer's table?

[Conder101]

Costco sells some very reasonable systems. Why would that not work?

They work fine, something like that is typically what the dealers that set up their own video surveillance use.

 

And think about it, which form of video surveillance will probably give you more usable results for identification, a dealers video setup from 6 feet away that covers his own material, or a facilities video system that if it happens to be pointed in the right direction records the scene from 150 to 200 feet away. Blow up that image and maybe you get a nice pixelated blur that might or might not be stealing something.

[WoodenJefferson]

Face recognition programs like the big casinos use. The elevated security booth behind the dealer can send information to the dealers ear piece to inform them to keep an eye on a particular customer who has been identified in the CFD (Coin Fraud Database)

[Conder101]

Face recognition programs like the big casinos use.

Now that could be useful at the entrance, especially if it can operate at close to real time.

[RWB]

"Face recognition programs...'

 

Hmmmm --- but don't ordinary coin collectors all look the same to the big dealers?

[Nutmeg Coin]

I've never understood the hurdles on this issue considering all the powerful technologies available these days. If you had accurate time windows of when a theft happened, then all the other dealers with images of the crime scene table could be retrieved with suspicious activity saved for examination. If cops were paid by performance, like nabbing criminal activity like many gumshoes maybe the result would be better.

 

A currency dealer at FUN reported stolen notes, but there was a happy ending: https://forums.collectors.com/messageview.aspx?catid=23&threadid=957335&FTVAR_STKEYWORDFRM=&STARTPAGE=1&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

[RWB]

Look to the dealers doing much better at security themselves. That's the first line of defense. Police can only respond after-the-fact and have to prioritize personal injury victims vs property loss.

 

In many business and military areas it's called "Situational Awareness."

 

Maybe all the slabs dealers want to keep track of could be given a temporary RFID chip sticker when the dealers enter for set up. Also loan them a deactivation device. The chip could be deactivated by the dealer on the bourse floor when sold. Otherwise, an active RFID would set off an alarm at any exit. Could be voluntary - but catch just one thief and it would have served its purpose.

[cpm9ball]

Look to the dealers doing much better at security themselves. That's the first line of defense. Police can only respond after-the-fact and have to prioritize personal injury victims vs property loss.

 

In many business and military areas it's called "Situational Awareness."

 

Maybe all the slabs dealers want to keep track of could be given a temporary RFID chip sticker when the dealers enter for set up. Also loan them a deactivation device. The chip could be deactivated by the dealer on the bourse floor when sold. Otherwise, an active RFID would set off an alarm at any exit. Could be voluntary - but catch just one thief and it would have served its purpose.

 

And, if the dealer discovers after the fact that he had just been cherrypicked he can reactivate the chip.

 

Chris

[RWB]

The buyer's receipt would take care of "seller's remorse."

 

[e1cnr]

I love video drones, and always will think of this shot

 

[Mr. Smith Guesser]

A buddy of mine just went to the CES show in Las Vegas. He said that one of the cooler products he saw was a mini personal drone that will automatically fly around you and film everything you do...sort of like a robot Gazoo from The Flintstones.

 

It's linked to your cell phone and the drone just follows it. The potential applications for it are actually pretty diverse.

[RWB]

...next step - an automatic pneumatic system to follow your cell phone and shoot down any drones in your vicinity.

[Mr. Smith Guesser]

...next step - an automatic pneumatic system to follow your cell phone and shoot down any drones in your vicinity.

....or your own little drone army.

 

[Nutmeg Coin]

Or the thieves could start wearing hats with high tech metals and gadgets inside to foil detection.... Heck, thievery has been an "occupation" for thousands of years, even Aristotle mentions that. http://genius.com/2733655

[Mr. Smith Guesser]

Or the thieves could start wearing hats with high tech metals and gadgets inside to foil detection.

 

High tech tin foil?

 

Rare earth tin foil hats?...come on, that's a million dollar idea right there

[Conder101]

or your own little drone army.

I remember those guys, but didn't they have a tendency to run into trees?

 

As for the active RIF chipped slabs, just drop them into a aluminum briefcase, a portable Faraday Cage.

[johnny9434]

I love video drones, and always will think of this shot

 

i remember that. i hope the skier counted their blessings. ouch, what a headache.

[bourse28]

No - I am against cameras on the bourse or bourse room. My customers value their privacy especially paying out large amounts of cash.

 

Shows have security staff on hand and one needs to practice basic security. I don't have coins or banknotes loose on my table and lock my cases anytime I leave the table. Many rent coin cases at a show to avoid the hassle and possible security issues of bringing them in . One trip to the car coming and going is what I prefer.