Let's Nuke This Seller!

[wdrob]

Well he does not include a numeric grade in the title, description, or item specifics so he does comply with the rules. This is why it is OK to post pictures of third tier slabs that show the grade even though by ebay rules they are considered raw. A numerical grade in the picture does not violate their current rules.

 

Wow. I have to take issue with you on that and disagree that a picture can not be considered 'Specifics'.

 

Why would one even take the time to take a picture then post it if it was not 'specifically' related to the product they are trying to sell?.........

[MarkFeld]

I just posed this question to Ebay and if I receive a response, will post it here:

 

 

 

I have a question about Ebay's stated policy for the listing of non-certified coins:

 

Your policy states that the numeric grade (such as MS-65, VF-25) can't be included in the "title, description, or item specifics of the listing." When a seller like this one, has a numerical grade written on the coin holder, which clearly shows in the image and listing, is that a violation of your policy? It seems as if it is, since the numerical grade is seen within "the specifics of the listing".

 

Thank you for your time.

[BruceS]

If they answer "yes" to the email MF sent, then thousands of postings would be in violation, as I see this practiced daily. So I'm curious as to how (or if ) they will respond. Keep us posted.

[MarkFeld]

If they answer "yes" to the email MF sent, then thousands of postings would be in violation, as I see this practiced daily. So I'm curious as to how (or if ) they will respond. Keep us posted.

 

Agreed and will do.

[Kenneth F]

If they answer "yes" to the email MF sent, then thousands of postings would be in violation, as I see this practiced daily. So I'm curious as to how (or if ) they will respond. Keep us posted.

 

I have a feeling Ebay will kick the can around a bit. When they removing postings, its money out of their pocket.

[e1cnr]

Mark, who did you ask and where? Someone should ask that eBay VP who makes many national shows at the eBay booth.

[MarkFeld]

Mark, who did you ask and where? Someone should ask that eBay VP who makes many national shows at the eBay booth.

 

I used the (reporting) link below.

I use it to report listing violations and have had good success with it over a long period of time. Usually, Judith replies to me and she is excellent.

 

 

See here

[wdrob]

I have a feeling Ebay will kick the can around a bit. When they removing postings, its money out of their pocket.

 

I fully expect that to be the case as well.

 

I want to be clear though that the exception I was noting was not whether or not it was in violation of eBay rules.

 

I was taking exception to the fact that one, whether it would be eBay, (who is in business to make as much profit for their shareholders as possible) or a person on this forum, would not consider a picture in association with a listing for an item for sell to be a specific.

 

Call it splitting hairs or irrelevant to the actual issue at hand might be a fair critique of my response but when taken literal and using the actual definition of specific in this application; "having a special application, bearing, or reference; specifying, explicit, or definite: to state one's specific purpose." or "concerned specifically with the item or subject named (used in combination)."

 

That is what I was addressing and not what eBay policy is being violated. I am with Kenneth on this and feel we all know what the answer will be; "around the bush we go"...

 

 

[Red Llama]

A lot of postings in the mean time but I can tell you ebay does not LIKE to remove listings especially when it is a seller who is making them quite a bit of fees.

That is why I won a bunch of his auctions and when he opened buyer's claims I said "Hay look at what this guy is doing. He is listing grades but he is just buying coins and in MANY cases he was buying NGC and PCGS graded coins, cracking them out, and then making up much higher grades".

Ebay did not take the seller's side.

[bsshog40]

A lot of postings in the mean time but I can tell you ebay does not LIKE to remove listings especially when it is a seller who is making them quite a bit of fees.

That is why I won a bunch of his auctions and when he opened buyer's claims I said "Hay look at what this guy is doing. He is listing grades but he is just buying coins and in MANY cases he was buying NGC and PCGS graded coins, cracking them out, and then making up much higher grades".

Ebay did not take the seller's side.

More than likely because they resemble accusations instead of proof.

[Kenneth F]

A lot of postings in the mean time but I can tell you ebay does not LIKE to remove listings especially when it is a seller who is making them quite a bit of fees.

That is why I won a bunch of his auctions and when he opened buyer's claims I said "Hay look at what this guy is doing. He is listing grades but he is just buying coins and in MANY cases he was buying NGC and PCGS graded coins, cracking them out, and then making up much higher grades".

Ebay did not take the seller's side.

 

Just remember, "two wrongs do not make a right". Bidding and not paying is just as crooked as misrepresenting coins in their auctions.

[Red Llama]

I disagree. I was saving people from his fraud and ebay agreed.

 

How in the world are these 'accusations'??

 

Are you telling me that when he list he inherited the coins but anybody can see the feedback where he bought the coin and relisted the SAME coin at a higher grade is my 'accusing' him?

 

Another example of people rushing to defend a scam.

Sad

[ldhair]

Do me a favor Red, don't PM me again.

If you have something to say to me, just post it here.

 

[slingshot-migration]

As long as a seller says he has cleaned a coin more power to him. I don't care about it if the seller is up front. However, those who BS and say their adherents to ANA grading standards and then don't say a coin has possibly been cleaned or they cleaned the coin are charltons The ANA standards are used to gain a buyers confidence while in reality some and I emphasize some use the ANA to con buyers into buying a coin from what they think is a high class seller.

[WoodenJefferson]

I'm not going to play along until e-Bay answers Mark's question...curious myself.

[Red Llama]

Idhair-I personally find no joy in getting in an 'online fight'. Unlike yourself.

I think you are one of those people that gets off coming in and trying to act like you know it all and that nobody is as smart as you. This is evident when you came in and started saying stuff on my post when you did not even read the post or look at the seller.

Typical.

I think best you do not have the urge to reply to my posts.

[ldhair]

Looks like the guy starts at .99 and lets it ride. I don't care for the grades he shows on the holders. Past that it looks like he is following Ebay rules.

This was my only post. Sorry if something about it upset you. To be honest, I only looked at about half of the sellers auctions before posting.

[morganguru]

I don't see anything out of the norm, it's raw pieces and the seller does offer a 30 return privilege.

[MarkFeld]

Idhair-I personally find no joy in getting in an 'online fight'. Unlike yourself.

I think you are one of those people that gets off coming in and trying to act like you know it all and that nobody is as smart as you. This is evident when you came in and started saying stuff on my post when you did not even read the post or look at the seller.

Typical.

I think best you do not have the urge to reply to my posts.

 

I've known Idhair for years and he is nothing like you described, either on-line or in person. Please don't take shots at people who either don't side with you or disagree with you.

[bsshog40]

I disagree. I was saving people from his fraud and ebay agreed.

 

How in the world are these 'accusations'??

 

Are you telling me that when he list he inherited the coins but anybody can see the feedback where he bought the coin and relisted the SAME coin at a higher grade is my 'accusing' him?

 

Another example of people rushing to defend a scam.

Sad

I'm not defending anything, merely making a statement. When you say the seller is buying coins in ngc and pcgs slabs, cracking them out and selling them, this is actually making an accusation unless you have literally seen him crack the slabs. Things that can be proven are fine, things that cannot be proven are Accusations!

[Red Llama]

As me and others have done-we can CLEARLY see the same coins. ID marks on the coin being resold.

So wrong again

[Mark T]

Idhair-I personally find no joy in getting in an 'online fight'. Unlike yourself.

I think you are one of those people that gets off coming in and trying to act like you know it all and that nobody is as smart as you. This is evident when you came in and started saying stuff on my post when you did not even read the post or look at the seller.

Typical.

I think best you do not have the urge to reply to my posts.

 

I can assure you that Idhair has more knowledge about coins then you will probably ever have. The only person getting somewhat hostile here is you, so just calm down.What you are doing with your scam seller posts is typical of someone who has just started collecting or someone who is a very casual collector without much of a Numismatic knowledge base to fall back on. If you personally get ripped off by someone on EBAY and want to post about it that’s fine – the “this seller is a scammer” because he is selling raw coins with inflated grades on the coins holder - well those are getting kind of old and would be better served on the EBAY chat boards.

 

 

[Hard Times]

Idhair-I personally find no joy in getting in an 'online fight'. Unlike yourself.

I think you are one of those people that gets off coming in and trying to act like you know it all and that nobody is as smart as you. This is evident when you came in and started saying stuff on my post when you did not even read the post or look at the seller.

Typical.

I think best you do not have the urge to reply to my posts.

 

I can assure you that Idhair has more knowledge about coins then you will probably ever have. The only person getting somewhat hostile here is you, so just calm down.What you are doing with your scam seller posts is typical of someone who has just started collecting or someone who is a very casual collector without much of a Numismatic knowledge base to fall back on. If you personally get ripped off by someone on EBAY and want to post about it that’s fine – the “this seller is a scammer” because he is selling raw coins with inflated grades on the coins holder - well those are getting kind of old and would be better served on the EBAY chat boards.

 

Like the two Mark's said, ldhair has never crossed anyone here, I have met him at coin shows and he is a wonderful and knowledgeable, and very courteous person who really knows numismatics, never hostile, more like humble despite his expertise. Red Yak, you seem to have a bee in your bonnet for no reason, I suggest you take a step back from your crusade and realize there are some good folks contributing here with some different, but valid, perspectives than you.

 

Best, HT

 

 

[bochiman]

Idhair-I personally find no joy in getting in an 'online fight'. Unlike yourself.

I think you are one of those people that gets off coming in and trying to act like you know it all and that nobody is as smart as you. This is evident when you came in and started saying stuff on my post when you did not even read the post or look at the seller.

Typical.

I think best you do not have the urge to reply to my posts.

 

I've known Idhair for years and he is nothing like you described, either on-line or in person. Please don't take shots at people who either don't side with you or disagree with you.

 

I fully agree with Mark. I haven't known Larry in person, but have seen his posts for more than a few years, and he is pretty darn easy going and level headed.

 

You didn't like what he said because it didn't fit in with the lynch mob/pitchfork mentality that you were wanting.....not a good reason to attack him, at all.

[Red Llama]

I guess I am little more 'militant' than others but it does bother me that as collectors we do not more actively go after people like this.

[bsshog40]

Yes you seem to be more militant than others but you also have a bad attitude with those that don't merge with your vigilance. I'm more concerned with sellers who sell counterfeits, disguised cleaned coins, etc.., than those telling stories about where their coins came from. Most people with any significant amount of common sense can distinguish between a rip-off and a liar.

[Red Llama]

I would say I think a few others have been a tad callous and almost mocking in their messages and replies.

 

I also would agree with you but still proclaim that buying coins, reselling them with BS grades,and telling people you inherited them is a big time liar.

[MarkFeld]

I just posed this question to Ebay and if I receive a response, will post it here:

 

 

 

I have a question about Ebay's stated policy for the listing of non-certified coins:

 

Your policy states that the numeric grade (such as MS-65, VF-25) can't be included in the "title, description, or item specifics of the listing." When a seller like this one, has a numerical grade written on the coin holder, which clearly shows in the image and listing, is that a violation of your policy? It seems as if it is, since the numerical grade is seen within "the specifics of the listing".

 

Thank you for your time.

 

I just received a reply to my question above from Ebay:

 

 

"Thanks for writing with your question.

 

Since we allow sellers of coins graded by non approved companies to show the numeric grade on the coin holder in the image, we do not prohibit sellers of raw coins from showing a numeric grade in the image.

 

If you ever have any policy questions in the future, please don't hesitate to let me know. I'm always happy to explain.

 

 

We appreciate your help in keeping eBay a safe and reputable forum to conduct business.

 

 

 

Sincerely,

 

 

 

Judith

 

Coin and Stamp Policy Specialist

 

eBay Customer Service"

 

So, to the original poster, it appears that the seller in question is not violating Ebay policy by including grades on the coin holders. I still think he is probably a sleazy liar, but that is a separate matter.

[ldhair]

 

Thank you guys for the kind words.

 

 

[BruceS]

Thanks Mark for sharing the response. There was no way that eBay would remove so many postings that have a grade scribbled on a 2x2. It represents a lot of revenue for them. Right or wrong it just means buyer beware. If any doubt pay for a graded example or do your homework.