1798 Draped Bust Dollar VF? Cleaned?

[garyinnj-migration]

 

I just got this coin through the mail with a 14 day return option. The photo that advertised this had just the right lighting to show the coin at its best. In hand and under magnification two differences became apparent. First, the details don't show nearly as well straight on without angling the coin so the light hits it just right. Second, there are several small scratches angling from upper left to lower right that weren't evident from the photo but are when you see it in person angled slightly different from the photo lighting.

 

So, does this coin look like it has been cleaned? and if not, woud it qualify for a VF or XF grading?

[FishyOne]

Cleaned (improperly) for sure. Looks like a Wide Date with VF+ Details and rim damage too.

 

If I were considering this coin, it would be $1500 tops (and that's retail).

[AnkurJ]

VF30 details.

These are not hard to find. Wait for another one.

[Dudley the 1st]

I agree, I would practice some patient coin hunting. You can do better.

[Coinbuf]

I would send it back, when it comes time for you to sell this will be hard to liquidate.

[wheat'swheats]

oink, oink send it back

wheat

[Mark T]

VF Details – harshly cleaned for sure. Value for one of these certified in a details holder is between $1000 - $1250. What did you pay for it??

[L1ncolnF4n]

VF details, about 25 ish.

[johnny9434]

wait for another one to turn up, jmo

[BillJones]

Although the coin may have been a VF-30 before it was cleaned, it is a damaged example now. I would pass.

[garyinnj-migration]

Thanks to one and all. You confirmed my thinking and the coin is already on its way back. The picture used to sell the coin was a masterpiece that showed all the details just popping out without any indication of the cleaning, scratches, etc. showing.

[Mark T]

When you said the photo was a masterpiece I had a feeling it was an EBAY purchase from Great Southern Coin.

GSC is well known for juiced pictures of bad coins. You grossly overpaid for this coin. Do yourself a favor – do not purchase raw coins on EBAY unless you know and trust the seller. I am going to post this for others here to see.

 

EBAy item :

 

290746954994

 

[Dudley the 1st]

It's been posted in a couple of forums that this company is extremely difficult to get refunds from. Best Of Luck. Let us know how you make out.

[FishyOne]

Here's the eBay auction link. GSC is sometimes referred to as, "Greatest Scam Company". The are notorious for over-grading, problem coins, juiced photos, and every other unsavory sales practice known to human-kind.

 

eBay Linky Dink

 

Stick with top tier TPG certified pieces for now.

[tejas1836]

Here's the eBay auction link. GSC is sometimes referred to as, "Greatest Scam Company". The are notorious for over-grading, problem coins, juiced photos, and every other unsavory sales practice known to human-kind.

 

eBay Linky Dink

 

Stick with top tier TPG certified pieces for now.

 

In the few short years I've been on the forum, I can't recall anything positive being said about GSC yet it says on this link that they are a Top rated seller with 100% positive feedback. I've never used ebay but wonder how it's possible for GSC to be rated so high.

[L1ncolnF4n]

Here's the eBay auction link. GSC is sometimes referred to as, "Greatest Scam Company". The are notorious for over-grading, problem coins, juiced photos, and every other unsavory sales practice known to human-kind.

 

eBay Linky Dink

 

Stick with top tier TPG certified pieces for now.

 

In the few short years I've been on the forum, I can't recall anything positive being said about GSC yet it says on this link that they are a Top rated seller with 100% positive feedback. I've never used ebay but wonder how it's possible for GSC to be rated so high.

 

Most eBay seller ratings don't reflect expert opinions...

[BillJones]

Here's the eBay auction link. GSC is sometimes referred to as, "Greatest Scam Company". The are notorious for over-grading, problem coins, juiced photos, and every other unsavory sales practice known to human-kind.

 

eBay Linky Dink

 

Stick with top tier TPG certified pieces for now.

 

In the few short years I've been on the forum, I can't recall anything positive being said about GSC yet it says on this link that they are a Top rated seller with 100% positive feedback. I've never used ebay but wonder how it's possible for GSC to be rated so high.

 

Most eBay seller ratings don't reflect expert opinions...

 

Many people who buy coins don't take their purchases to experts to get opinions. They don't find out that they have been scammed until the time comes to sell. They see a bright coin with some "meat" (detail) on it and think they are fine. That's how some scam dealers have stayed in business for years.

 

I will add that getting expert opinions is tough for most people. Most of the time when you take a coin to a dealer cold turkey, who has not sold the piece to you, he will low ball it whether it is nice or not. That's why taking coins to dealers at shows for opinion perspective purchases often ends with fruitless results.

[L1ncolnF4n]

Here's the eBay auction link. GSC is sometimes referred to as, "Greatest Scam Company". The are notorious for over-grading, problem coins, juiced photos, and every other unsavory sales practice known to human-kind.

 

eBay Linky Dink

 

Stick with top tier TPG certified pieces for now.

 

In the few short years I've been on the forum, I can't recall anything positive being said about GSC yet it says on this link that they are a Top rated seller with 100% positive feedback. I've never used ebay but wonder how it's possible for GSC to be rated so high.

 

Most eBay seller ratings don't reflect expert opinions...

 

Many people who buy coins don't take their purchases to experts to get opinions. They don't find out that they have been scammed until the time comes to sell. They see a bright coin with some "meat" (detail) on it and think they are fine. That's how some scam dealers have stayed in business for years.

 

I will add that getting expert opinions is tough for most people. Most of the time when you take a coin to a dealer cold turkey, who has not sold the piece to you, he will low ball it whether it is nice or not. That's why taking coins to dealers at shows for opinion perspective purchases often ends with fruitless results.

 

I wholeheartedly agree. You really need to get "in" with a few people who you trust and have established a business record with. Their opinions are the ones you should heed. I've got my ring of guys that know more about certain material than I do, and I'm part of their rings for my respective areas of expertise.

[coinman1794]

 

I just got this coin through the mail with a 14 day return option. The photo that advertised this had just the right lighting to show the coin at its best. In hand and under magnification two differences became apparent. First, the details don't show nearly as well straight on without angling the coin so the light hits it just right. Second, there are several small scratches angling from upper left to lower right that weren't evident from the photo but are when you see it in person angled slightly different from the photo lighting.

 

So, does this coin look like it has been cleaned? and if not, woud it qualify for a VF or XF grading?

 

I cannot see hard evidence of cleaning damage. The scratches look like album slide marks. The color is off and it is more than likely that a cleaning can be detected in person, though you have not captured it here. It has VF30 details, but it's not attractive, regardless. There rims have a few light bruises, typical of the type and grade.

 

If you are unable to detect cleaning damage on your own, I would advise against buying raw coins of this caliber.

 

[arabella-migration]

first post for me here , i would say vf details,improperly cleaned , mounted-ex jewlery from what i see on the rims , maybe thats why the reverse is a bit better and shinier

[coinman_23885]

VF details, cleaned, scratched