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Might not have happened that way. I've seen 1950s wheaties that were quite obviously plated and looked very much like this one. Sometimes kids steal from Bampaw's collection, or something else happens to dump them into circulation that was not the intent of whoever plated it (whatever that intent might even have been). I still think it's replated, but I don't really care about the end result.

Ours lived in the dies. We served the Alaska fishing fleet out of Ballard, and the customer would pay a die charge for which we would construct a die of the correct size. The punches were part of the die and never came out again until the steel rule got so worn we had to re-rule the die. I never saw them used loose.

I never used those because I was the A/P and cash manager, but I did work for a gasket cutting and die making shop. It's possible there are punches that tiny, but that would mean very small bolt holes--as in smaller than on flatpack furniture kits. Most of ours were more like 1/2" to 1" wide. If we had punches that small, we never mounted them inside a die that I knew of. I'm not sure how you'd even bend the steel rule to make such a probably tiny die.

Cool fakes, bro.

Yes, definitely. That way you will learn.

Opinion: spend.

If the pics were even halfway properly cropped and blown up, we'd know better. But right now, I'd almost bet the cost of grading on replating. It's not just the chips; it's the way the surface looks.

Look at those chips around the rim. Now I'm sure it's replated.

Just call them racists and threaten to beat them up. That'll help.

I'm not so sure it's proof. That coin looks replated to me.

I read as much of it as I could stand.

I'm two persons: before they start arguing, and after. Until they start arguing, they're asking for opinions and input, and sometimes I'll give it. If they disagree with consensus opinions, there are two ways they can react to that. One is to say to oneself 'Okay, I'm right and they are wrong, but it doesn't matter what they think. I'm going to value it my way and send it in my way.' That's pigheaded, but it's an intellectually honest pigheadedness that has the courage of its convictions. The other is to keep arguing, and that's intellectually dishonest because it's not the reaction of someone who believes what they're saying. It's the reaction of someone who knows they are wrong, deep down, but wants to pressure someone to validate their errors. The fact that they don't just walk away proves that to me, and causes me to lose respect for them. If I decide that geology works a certain way, and I go to a geology forum to ask questions about where I should safely build a house, and the experts and professors tell me no, you're wrong, it doesn't work that way and you'll be setting yourself up for a big problem--if don't like that answer, I have a choice. I can make a term_for_a_donkey of myself by debating with professors of the subject, wasting my time and theirs, looking worse every round. Or I can say 'okay, thanks,' walk away, and build my house the way I want. If I do that, at least I act like I believe my own philosophy. If I do the former, I show that deep down, I'm just posing and flexing with nothing to back it up. It's like the preppers who talk like the end of society is a dead sure thing, but keep putting money into their 401k. Either believe your philosophy or don't, but if you don't have the sand to believe it, at least stop braying it.

The difference is that we're not guessing. We know. What people have listed for sale online means nothing because anyone can list anything online for whatever price they want, typically ratcheting the price high enough to reach "it only takes one sucker" territory. Anyone could create similar coins with a clothes dryer and some patience, and I'm starting to think that some online sellers do exactly that. In the meantime, the reality is that you are wasting your time trying to tell us we're wrong and that your coin is special because other people also post dryer coins. Validation will not be forthcoming; you won't get anything out of it but increasing testiness which would be too bad, because while you're quite misguided on this, you're politely misguided and that counts for something. You asked, you've been told, you don't concur; okay--you're not going to change our correct conclusions, nor will we change your incorrect ones. The next court of appeal would be a grading service, where for $60 or so they can confirm what we're telling you. I hope you don't do something so wastefully misguided. Do you have any idea what sort of a beautiful Washington quarter $60 would buy? I suggest you do some looking and find out. Here is one example, a 1954 PF-68, duly slabbed, that sold for $38. Further searches would turn up dozens of gorgeous Georges for $10-15. When you could have those for that kind of money, you will see why some of us think that it's a waste of your time to even care about a ruined dryer coin, much less debate about it. If that seems blunt to the point of rudeness, bear in mind that to my eyes, I see someone who might possibly be contemplating lighting three of his own $20 bills on fire, and am trying to talk him out of burning them. If he construes that as rude, he might consider that the $60 is not my money, and that I'm an honest volunteer trying to keep him from destroying it. Far easier for me to just shrug, walk away, and let the smoke plume rise. Usually I do. This time I did not.

You're missing the whole point. Not NGC's, which is to promote its services; the point of coin collecting, which is to learn, grow your understanding, improve at identifying and evaluating coins. Nobody here who doesn't work for NGC cares if you send anything in for grading. I never have. No one cares about that either. And even NGC won't push you. You get told to send things in for grading as a throwing up of the hands to an obstinate person who refuses to learn. If you were sensible, you'd see it for what it is. If you post a parking lot coin, or something else that's obviously abused, people will tell you so. If you keep arguing with them, they'll eventually say "okay, bucko, if you think it's so rare and valuable, put your money where your keyboard is." They aren't trying to raise business for NGC. They're politely telling you you're an insufficiently_intellectual_person and that you can go attempt_self_impregnation. If you get to that point, you've already flashed nalgas. No one is having fun telling you your stuff is worthless. They do that as an annoying duty to help people who, in essence, never bother to read anything else that was posted and who think they know better than experts (and some of our members are just that). They even try to be polite about it, until you argue with them. Then they get blunt and tell you "go ahead and send it in." All of this is volunteer help given to you as a freebie and in the service of helping you to learn. Gratitude is a thing. You might try that, instead of ranting about what big meanies the volunteers are. It sounds like you expected a trophy just for posting. We don't offer those. You won't even get hazed provided you at least accept the free guidance shared with you. But if you insist on validation that defies all reason, well, you're hosed on that one. You need to find a fluffier forum that won't bruise your delicate feelings and considers itself obligated to validate any statement no matter how lacking in sense it might be. If you were raised thinking all opinions were equal and all deserved respect, welcome to reality. They aren't; they don't. So, basically, you're writing your hobby suicide note because you were told the truth with the bark on, and now you're weeping openly. Very good. Do by all means stop collecting, and come back when you mature enough to respect when people know things you don't.

It's been abused.

No.

This has got to be a candidate for the 2024 Most Wasted Time And Typing On The NGC Boards.

If they have them at Amazon, please let me know.

Every month--for what they're worth.

Word. I especially love the approach of "So do you have any actual knowledge and experience, or are you some wiseacre just blurting whatever? I've been on Youtube, you know! Don't take me lightly! I've read a crappy book!" One thing I've learned is that anyone who starts disrespectful has shown us who they are. We should believe them. If they are rude when just introducing themselves, we can expect them to be themselves going forward and it's unfair and unrealistic to expect anything else, so I just block them on the spot to remind myself not to engage. It never seems to occur to them how many of the Stupid Old Fogeys simply tune them out and never bother to help them again. There's never any point in arguing with that mentality.

Think you meant to say here that they are not worth more than face value until certified. Not mentioning it to be a pedant, but because there are people who visit here who might not realize what you meant to say.

Look on the bright side. It didn't lead you to come in here, be told things you didn't want to hear, and alienate everyone as "haters." Pitfall avoided and wisdom gained. Welcome.

Yes. Three reasons. It was posted here by a new poster. We get them all the time and they are all fake. We understand why people post them, but the answer's always the same. It doesn't look like the real ones. If you look up images of real ones, none of them have this muddy look. Doesn't stop the thieves on BedwEtsy from selling them to the unsuspecting. There are very few real ones and literally millions of replicas. Thus, asking if one were real would be like asking if an unseen lottery ticket was a jackpot winner. One could safely say "no" and lose no sleep. If you're wanting more specifics, we don't (or at least we shouldn't; the offenders know who they are) give close feedback on counterfeits. Even if the person asking is not a counterfeiter, such types do watch these boards for useful feedback to make the problem worse, so we should not do so. But take it for gospel this one's a real ugly replica.

It's a fake. You do not provide enough information to say what it would be worth if authentic.

Yes. it is.