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  1. To do this, we need the support of Congress. Back in 2013, Andy Barr (US House Rep - Kentucky) proposed a bill H.R. 2335 to put Lady Liberty back on circulating coins.

    The interesting thing is that with as much desire as there seems to be for this, whenever I bring this up, not a single person mentions this bill, support of it, or writing to their Congressmen and Congresswomen. If not action is taken, no desired result should be expected ;)

    Here's the bill: https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/2535/text

    I wonder when I'll run into someone who has told their representatives to support this bill!

  2. How is a red surface created from a red-brown surface?


    The same way that tarnish is removed from a silver coin. A mild acid solution is used to remove the oxidized metal.


    As it is with silver coins, the newly exposed metal is more vulnerable to elements. Toning forms a shield that helps to protect the coin. This is one of the reasons why dipped copper coins are more prone to toning and sometimes turning ugly. The chances of that go way up if the piece has not been properly rinsed.


    It's hard to tell if they have been properly rinsed. That's what happened to those Proof Indian cents that turned to dust in the holder. No doubt they looked good immediately after the dipping was done.


    I have a red copper piece that unfortunately has a partial fingerprint on one side. Is this, or is there, a recommended way to remove this? Or is it better to just leave it.

  3. I completely agree with Bill Jones. Older copper with fully "red" surfaces are extremely suspect to me. Obviously, many famous pedigreed red large-cents (and half-cents) exist that have been plated numerous times over the years, and one can view the old photos and see that they have retained their vintage red color. But my personal belief and experience has been that over the last 30 years, a huge explosion of fully red copper coins has appeared on the market - large cents, half cents, Indian cents and early wheat cents. How many of them were created from formerly red-brown example?


    The red-brown surface is substantially more stable than a red surface, particularly a "created" red surface.


    How is a red surface created from a red-brown surface?

  4. Bill Jones is right that It is very hard to resubmit the coins for upgrade. I purchased 1896-O Morgan NGC AU58, I break it out and submitted it to NGC because it looks too good to be AU58, and it still come back as AU58. So I sold it to one of member here, he did take it out of slab and sent it to NGC, and STILL come back as AU58! It's because there is huge gap of value price between AU58 and MS60 ($585 at AU58; $2400 at MS60)!


    Good to hear of a case where MS60 gets some respect!

  5. Though I don't care for the prong holders much as others have mentioned, what is the big advantage with the raw coin photography? And I can see how it would be a lot more work. Coin comes out of the grading room into quality control and it is a lot more work to separate individual coins for photography raw than earmarking the ones for that after the slab room. PCGS is much slower with their true view service which can easily add days to grading etc..


    In addition to being being able to shoot without prongs, raw coin photography allows light to hit the coin directly which makes photograph better, especially at the super high resolutions used by TrueView.


    As for time, with great coins, the extra work is worthwhile.

  6. Why on earth would NGC take photos of the coins after they're in the slabs when they have the luxury of shooting them raw? They give up they only advantage they have over other photographers.


    You're right! Photos also need to be taken out of the slab as mentioned above. I just assumed they were in my post but it seems to not be the case.


    From a photography perspective, I think two of the most important things NGC can do is:


    * Offer a TrueView like photography service, per the above.

    * Offer clear gaskets (which is now offered for exonumia on request).


    NGC currently slabs many of the best coins, including world coins and exonumia. Those should have top flight photography services. Some coins can already be had with TrueViews, but many exonumia are not yet slabbed by ATS (and may never be?). Providing such a service integrated into Cert Verification would be a great service.

  7. Good to know, but it seems like the service doesn't provide image files like TrueView. Photo Vision provides images embedded in a PDF which is... interesting. It would be nice to have individual images at different sizes like ATS does.


    Also, it seems like the service could use some more promotion:


    * Image searches return a lot of TrueViews but no Photo Vision photos other than the one posted. This is likely a consequence of not providing images, but PDFs.

    * Photo Vision should be added to Cert Verification Page. The posted example above doesn't show the Photo Vision image: NGC 3317587-003. ATS will show all images they have.


    The following would seem to help the service:


    * Provide image files (instead of or in addition to PDF)

    * Provide image hosting with various sizes including Max size like TrueView

    * Include on Cert Verification page

    * Support image search on search engines

  8. Has NGC ever considered a high quality, out-of-the-slab photography service similar to TrueView? It seems like it would be an easy value add to provide given the number of excellent coin photographers that are available and used by some coin dealers.


    It seems like this would be useful for collectors in the age of prong holders. It could also provide some marketing for NGC services by having the NGC logo on high quality photographs.


    For myself, NGC does a great job of slabbing a lot of exonumia not covered by others and it would be great to have a TrueView-like service for these.

  9. I was checking out NGC slab boxes recently and in addition to the silver ones, I now see red ones (with gold lettering). When did these start coming out and are they official NGC boxes?




    In addition to the red NGC boxes, I've also started to see blue CNGC boxes with photos of what looks to be NGC slabs in them. Does CNGC have anything to do with NGC?



  10. Coin surely needs reholdered but they may not do it. Maybe that's why print on obverse is hard to make out. Always be suspect of older holders.


    Why? The old holder shows stability.


    Agree with the benefits of older holders. This one looks particularly nice as it is an old fatty holder.


    Why be suspect of older holders?


    I'm sure a "cross" to PCGS was already tried...I'm always suspect of anything in Legend Auctions that's in NGC holders. They are self-proclaimed PCGS/CAC dealers.


    I'm generally less / not suspect of monster toners in NGC holders. Prices of monster toners don't reflect any price guide, PCGS, NGC or otherwise.


    Also, this is in Legend's Auction, not offered via their website which are different things.


    I think the old fatty holder for this rocks.

  11. Here's the latest (well, as of a couple of years ago) on this silver eagle:


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    I heard that you turned down $5k for it in the MS69 holder. Is that true?


    That is accurate.

    I was happy to crack out and re-submit this one with PCGS although mildly surprised when it was returned as it stands now.


    Wonderful coin. I remember when it was listed on the bay but I wasn't quick enough! Definitely one to remember. The color seems very stable over the years.

  12. Sorry to hear that Larry but I understand and I'm with you on that. The forums have changed a lot recently due to the trolls to the point it's really no longer recognizable to me. If nothing can be done about the troll directly, the ignore feature really needs to be enhanced as mentioned by comicdonna. Hopefully the mods are aware of this as you mention and can set things back on course.

  13. Are some of you on a anti- membership drive? Trying to keep this place all to yourselves? There are like 12 active posters here and you want to drive half of these posters away and discourage new ones from engaging. Mr Knowitall is like a one man haranguing wrecking crew. Suggestion to the new guys and anyone who wants to keep their sanity----stop replying to him.




    I was worried about this before and I'm certainly am now.


    Anyways my advise remains the same




    Good advice and it's a legitimate worry. Larry's been a long time contributor and if he's leaving because of this, it's worth some thought on how the forums have changed and if course correction is warranted. His post in the other thread echos my own thoughts about how these forums are no longer fun. "Toxic" as mentioned earlier is fitting.

  14. I attended my first coin club meeting last week, and the good news was that the turnout was close to fifty attendees. The bad news was that 80% of those in attendance were in their mid 60's or older. I'm 42, and there was only one other person younger.


    I hope this is unique, and not a microcosm of the demographics of coin collectors Nationwide...if so, prices will probably continue to decline as more of the older generation of collectors pass on without a replacement base of younger collectors.


    The key part of this is "a replacement base of younger collectors". This is being impacted by increasing competing hobbies, decreasing use of coins in everyday life and decreasing disposable income.