Woods020

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  1. It all has to do with wear. No one has tracked a coin throughout its life since it left the mint. Therefore no way to know if it has been “circulated” or not. All that can be done is evaluate the coin and see if there is noticeable wear, and the level of wear is what takes us through the progression of the grading scale. Uncirculated is a misnomer in some ways and trips some people up. Think of it more as “unworn” vs “worn” instead and it may make more sense to you.
  2. I have complained before that more higher end coins never seem to be for sale on the marketplace between collectors. Well @Coinbuf was gracious enough to notify me of a nice 2 cent proof on the PCGS forum marketplace. I ended up getting if for what I think is a very reasonable price compared to auction results. PF65+ CAM / CAC (green bean).
  3. I had a grungy Morgan given to me by someone a while back. They had gotten it when cleaning out their parents house and they knew I liked coins. The coin was almost this bad, and it was because people had smoked in the house for as long as anyone could remember. Makes me glad I quit smoking long ago.
  4. I have respect for both of you, but I hate to see someone get bashed. I have only had a few interactions with Mark, and he doesn’t know me from Adam, but he has been kind enough to take his time to give me opinions on a few coins. He didn’t have to do this and he gave me wonderful information. I also acknowledge what he does day in and day out. When it comes to grading I’ll trust Mark’s opinion every time. When it comes to Mint history or scholarly articles I’ll side with you. Regardless I hate to see anyone get rocks thrown at them for simply saying a picture, cherry-picked out of many by the way, isn’t sufficient to give a definitive grade. I know would be highly critical of TPGs if they graded that way and would give no credence to that grade. If anything I think Mark is being responsible in saying I can’t say for sure from a picture. I’ll respect that any and every time that someone knows enough to say I can’t tell you from a picture. It’s a bad look to criticize that level of maturity in my opinion.
  5. Did you take the time to look at all of the photos of the coin from differing angles? Can you say you see wear in the other photos/angles of this coin? Or are you using the one picture, with what is just as likely shadows as wear, to accuse professionals (3) who do this every day of making a glaring mistake? Yes it happens but if you think this is the smoking gun I think you are mistaken. Reverse high points also show no wear.
  6. I agree. I was thinking I wonder what this thing would look like with an acetone bath. Maybe some of the haze would come off. I think the haze is hiding a fairly nice coin.
  7. An Alabama boy can’t call anyone a red neck I suppose, but @VKurtB lives in redneck central in Alabama. So he has me beat. I still laugh thinking about a PA guy living in A-RAB.
  8. I want on the waiting list for the inaugural minting at the North Georgia Redneck Mint and Tire Change 😂. You probably could sell some. Silver rounds are always hot and any neat design people pay crazy premiums for.
  9. I meant to add in my previous post and just realized I didn’t….grading standards obviously differ from series to series and time period to time period. Look at pre 1800s US coins and an MS63 looks like a kindergarten art project hacked out of a planchet with a rusted old nail. I think some respondents are trying to apply standards for a modern proof to a seated Liberty coin. I do agree wear may or may not be present though. Impossible to say without looking in hand with a loupe.
  10. Was it in a house with smokers for many years? That’s a lot of crud on it. I won’t hazard a guess on grade. Just too much you can’t see.
  11. While this isn’t the nicest proof seated half I’ve seen, I guess I am the dissenting minority. I see no definitive signs of wear. In hand that may be different but from the pictures alone I say uncirculated. This are extremely difficult to pick up AU I admit, but I just pulled out the ANA grading standards and QDBs guide book and I agree with the 63. I say it borders cameo but I see why it wasn’t given it. Now you may argue it has a lot of hairlines and potentially cleaned. I can’t say it definitively hasn’t. Attached is an excerpt that may be of interest from QDB in his guide book regarding these proofs… I just don’t think there is evidence in that one obverse picture to throw rocks at the graders.
  12. And I thought I was beat up for an 82 model. This quarter gives me a morale boost 😂
  13. You’ll have to embrace the doubles ears that will pop up in the future. If you need a DD fix let me know and I’ll send you a picture of my 55 Lincoln DD. Those will literally make you dizzy if you stare at it. I look at it and think “now that’s a doubled die” 😂
  14. I am very curious why this GSA Morgan is a states secret not to be named? There are only a few options really that could see a $1k or more swing in an upgrade from 62-63. None of which are classified that I am aware of despite the fact they come from the GSA 😂. Let me take a stab just for fun and to see if the black helicopters start flying around….1892 CC?
  15. As others have said just very common strike doubling. As VKurt alluded to just so you know while doubled dies can occur, the mint changed the process of making dies fully by 1999. They began experimenting with this single squeeze process in the mid 80s and from 99 forward all dies were made this way. With this new method the primary cause of doubled dies is removed, but there are still ways it can happen although less frequently. With the new process it is first unlikely you will find any, and if you do it is unlikely that the doubling will be on the exterior designs. The primary area for doubling now would be near the center of the coin. Not to say you won’t find one, but the obsession with doubled dies in recently minted coins is a YouTube fascination that is wasting most new collectors time and energy. Your time will be much better spent, and in the end you will find much more interesting things in your lifetime, if you spend the time now learning all you can about the minting process.