John5123

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  1. Complements to NGC receiving on catching up. USPS delivery date 10/27/2020. Official NGC receiving date 10/30/2020. Keep up the good work. Glad to see the receiving has caught up.
  2. Here is the web link to the info Condor101 referred to. http://www.chicagocoinclub.org/projects/PiN/ccc.html , It takes you through all the different medals issued. The only two medals I have seen at auction were two examples of the 1910 Aviation medal and numerous examples of the USS Nashville medal. An Aviation medal with a PCGS MS-64 went for $432 with buyers premium in March 2020 at Stacks & Bowers and an ungraded one which looked XF-45 AU50 went for $50 on ebay July 2020. Numerous ungraded examples of the 1910 USS Nashville medal went on heritage auction with buyers premium and eBay for between $50-$125. Your medal looks like it would grade out at MS-64 or better. You may want to have it graded by NGC. I am a medal collector and I have found that a graded medal from NGC or PCGS adds allot of value beyond the grading fee over an ungraded coin.
  3. I am a medal collector, where dates are not certain on medals. Can somebody tell me the NGC description difference between for example: 1885, 1885-Dated, (1885)?
  4. One more thing on the Saint Gaudens medal. I collect medals from the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition. There are several hundred different medals from that fair designed by either U.S. or European engravers. The year 1492 in roman numerals on these medals were routinely represented three different ways depending on the designer: MCCCCXCII (Most Common); MDCCCXCII, and; MCCCX(backwards C)II.
  5. Some background on your Saint Gaudens medal. Saint-Gaudens, who served as an advisor for the Chicago World’s Columbian Exposition sculptural program, accepted the commission for the official award medal. He had completed his design for the medal by the time of the fair’s closing in November 1893. His design for the obverse met ready acceptance. It shows Columbus making landfall in the Americas. At the lower right are three male figures, one bearing an unfurling banner, and above them are the symbolic Pillars of Hercules with the three Spanish caravels and the inscription plvs vltra. His concept for the reverse, however—a nude male youth representing the Spirit of America—was deemed improper by United States Senate Quadro-Centennial Committee. Two variant designs with the figure’s genitals covered and a third with a wreath-encircled eagle and inscription were also rejected. In the end, Saint-Gaudens’s obverse was muled with a design for the reverse by Charles E. Barber, longtime chief engraver at the United States Mint. One of those original discarded medals with the nude boy on reverse sold several years ago at Stacks and Bowers auctions for $45,000. I am painfully aware because I was the losing underbid.The reverse of the final minted version features a central tablet with an inscription and a space for a drop-in die with the name of the recipient. The tablet is flanked by flaming torches symbolizing light or intelligence, and below it the Santa Maria appears at full sail. Above, two winged (and ironically bare-breasted) females hold symbolic attributes—a trumpet and laurel wreaths and a stylus and a blank tablet—that celebrate the award recipient. The hubs and dies for the medal were produced at the United States Mint in Philadelphia and farmed out for striking to the Scoville Manufacturing Company of Waterbury, Connecticut. The medal was finally awarded to recipients in 1896.
  6. Thanks to all who have responded. Found something that works for me . A 10000 lux light therapy lamp that mimics sunlight. The designs jump off the surface in this light.
  7. I am a collector of medals: World's columbian expo and Civil War Tokens. My problem is that I can see the detail on aluminum and white metal medals in my collection with no problem in any light. When it comes to my medals in BN and RB state, I need direct bright sunlight to see the details, which I only get in the mornings at my house. I need recommendations of what kind of lamps will give me a direct sunlight view any time of day. Any product suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks John
  8. I recently purchased an 1893 M&D-2c Elongated 1892 Barber 10c. I did not realize it had been engraved on the reverse as a "Love Token" with the name Julia. If I submit this for grading, would it be classified as an M&D-2c with a details grade for the engraving, an M&D-2c with a grade, a Love Token with a grade, ...? Any help would be appreciated.
  9. The letter should be dated January 6, 1893. Congress did not authorize the coin until August 1892. The fair was supposed to open in October 1892, but did not open until May of 1893 due to construction delays. The first run of 1892 dated coins was struck in November 1892 (950,000 struck). There was also an 1893 dated run of 4,052,000 coins struck, but 2,501,000 were eventually melted by the mint.
  10. If you log onto Heritage Auctions (www.ha.com) and register you can look up past sale prices of slabbed graded coins/medals. The dollar figure you see will include a 20% buyers premium that was added on top of the winning bid. You will see HK-398 MS63's going between $200-$225, MS64's $275-$325, MS65's $575-$705. There are no recorded MS66 sales.
  11. There is currently for sale on e-bay a gold plated 90 mm prize medal awarded to Montgomery Ward & Co. They were a competitor of sears in the mail order and department store space and were in business from 1872-2001. Don't know if you can lift the photos or not.
  12. I went to the Verify NGC Authenticity tab under the Resource tab on the NGC home page and entered the NGC certification number and 65 grade. It is listed on their data base as an MS 65 DPL. The PF on the label is a typo. Not unheard of. I sent a NGC graded SC$1 from the Century of Progress World's Fair to be reholdered because of a scratch in the holder. It came back labeled with an entirely different, and incorrect, exposition.
  13. I agree they either meant to say PF65 or MS65 DPL. With regards to varieties, they are all cataloged in "Columbania - The Medallic History of Christopher Columbus and the Columbian Exposition of 1893" by Nathan Eglit. The versions of the medal that fell between 33 mm and 45 mm in diameter are also listed in Hibler & Kapen So Called Dollars Volume 2. You can find either from time to time on Ebay. There is an on line version of H&K at https://www.so-calleddollars.com/index.html . When the variety is in both books it will be listed by it's HK-### reference. If only in Columbania it will be listed as Eglit-###. Go to Heritage auctions. Click your search through to U.S. Coins and then to Tokens & Medals. Type in Eglit Liberty and hit enter. You will see both HK and Eglit in in the search results.
  14. With regards to the question about H-30-280 being a SC$1. Go to NGC Census and click down on U.S. Tokens & Medals. Each of the reference tabs are for a book written by an author/collector at some time that cataloged a registry of exuminia. In row six you will see So-Called Dollars by Hibler & Kappen. Technically only the medals in their book are SC$1 (NGC's designation for so-called dollars). Your 1904 H-30-280 is cataloged by Robert Hendershott in a 1994 book entitled "The 1904 St. Louis World's Fair - The Louisiana Purchase Exposition: Mementos and Memorabilia". The click through in row 5 has a picture of the reverse of your medal.
  15. First let's talk about the medal and then why it was minted at the Paris Mint. Obverse: 4 allegorical female figures representing different cultures. You can see from their facial features and dress that from left to right they represent Europe, Asia (Burmese/Indian Figure), Africa, and Americas (Native American). Each bears a gift to be laid on the alter of Justice (the scales) and Cooperation (the shaking hands). Europe brings a book (knowledge), Asia brings spices, Africa brings animal hides, and America brings corn (food). In the background center is the Tree of Life. In the back to left the end of a wagon and to right the front of a sailing ship each representing commerce. To the left "DePaulis" (the designer) and the letter "F" standing for Fecit which in Latin means "he made it". Reverse: the words "St Louis 1904 America Welcomes the World". In small letters to the left is a cornucopia which is the mint mark of the Paris Mint. Next to the mint mark is the word "Bronze". Now for the reason it was made in France. The Obverse design was used on the medal for the Paris Exhibition of 1900 and it was struck at the Paris Mint. The Obverse was muled with a new reverse referring to the Saint Louis Fair. Since the Paris Mint owned and had the dies, the 1904 medal was struck there and shipped to the USA. Hope this helps. John5123