John5123

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  1. If you log onto Heritage Auctions (www.ha.com) and register you can look up past sale prices of slabbed graded coins/medals. The dollar figure you see will include a 20% buyers premium that was added on top of the winning bid. You will see HK-398 MS63's going between $200-$225, MS64's $275-$325, MS65's $575-$705. There are no recorded MS66 sales.
  2. There is currently for sale on e-bay a gold plated 90 mm prize medal awarded to Montgomery Ward & Co. They were a competitor of sears in the mail order and department store space and were in business from 1872-2001. Don't know if you can lift the photos or not.
  3. I went to the Verify NGC Authenticity tab under the Resource tab on the NGC home page and entered the NGC certification number and 65 grade. It is listed on their data base as an MS 65 DPL. The PF on the label is a typo. Not unheard of. I sent a NGC graded SC$1 from the Century of Progress World's Fair to be reholdered because of a scratch in the holder. It came back labeled with an entirely different, and incorrect, exposition.
  4. I agree they either meant to say PF65 or MS65 DPL. With regards to varieties, they are all cataloged in "Columbania - The Medallic History of Christopher Columbus and the Columbian Exposition of 1893" by Nathan Eglit. The versions of the medal that fell between 33 mm and 45 mm in diameter are also listed in Hibler & Kapen So Called Dollars Volume 2. You can find either from time to time on Ebay. There is an on line version of H&K at https://www.so-calleddollars.com/index.html . When the variety is in both books it will be listed by it's HK-### reference. If only in Columbania it will be listed as Eglit-###. Go to Heritage auctions. Click your search through to U.S. Coins and then to Tokens & Medals. Type in Eglit Liberty and hit enter. You will see both HK and Eglit in in the search results.
  5. With regards to the question about H-30-280 being a SC$1. Go to NGC Census and click down on U.S. Tokens & Medals. Each of the reference tabs are for a book written by an author/collector at some time that cataloged a registry of exuminia. In row six you will see So-Called Dollars by Hibler & Kappen. Technically only the medals in their book are SC$1 (NGC's designation for so-called dollars). Your 1904 H-30-280 is cataloged by Robert Hendershott in a 1994 book entitled "The 1904 St. Louis World's Fair - The Louisiana Purchase Exposition: Mementos and Memorabilia". The click through in row 5 has a picture of the reverse of your medal.
  6. First let's talk about the medal and then why it was minted at the Paris Mint. Obverse: 4 allegorical female figures representing different cultures. You can see from their facial features and dress that from left to right they represent Europe, Asia (Burmese/Indian Figure), Africa, and Americas (Native American). Each bears a gift to be laid on the alter of Justice (the scales) and Cooperation (the shaking hands). Europe brings a book (knowledge), Asia brings spices, Africa brings animal hides, and America brings corn (food). In the background center is the Tree of Life. In the back to left the end of a wagon and to right the front of a sailing ship each representing commerce. To the left "DePaulis" (the designer) and the letter "F" standing for Fecit which in Latin means "he made it". Reverse: the words "St Louis 1904 America Welcomes the World". In small letters to the left is a cornucopia which is the mint mark of the Paris Mint. Next to the mint mark is the word "Bronze". Now for the reason it was made in France. The Obverse design was used on the medal for the Paris Exhibition of 1900 and it was struck at the Paris Mint. The Obverse was muled with a new reverse referring to the Saint Louis Fair. Since the Paris Mint owned and had the dies, the 1904 medal was struck there and shipped to the USA. Hope this helps. John5123
  7. I don't think the actual grading of the medal condition is different from that of a coin. What is different is that NGC has to research what the item is, which is an extra step that takes time. They may also have a limited number of medal specialists which would contribute to additional scheduling time. That is why the turn around time for medals and tokens is disclaimed on the service tier fee page. If you go to the NGC census page you will see a tab for U.S. medals and tokens and another one for International. If you click through you will see there are many different catalogs and research material referenced that has to be sifted through to find a match. Failing to find a match, NGC then has to give its own description. I have seen multiple NGC descriptions for the same unlisted medal on different NGC holders. I collect so-called dollars of the two Chicago World's fairs. There are many more unlisted so-called dollars for those fairs than there are listed ones in Hibler and Kappen, as most are smaller in diameter than the HK catalog criteria used.
  8. Don't know if it helps, but there is an HK-357 with FOB graded MS-62 offered for $160.00 at http://www.socalleddollar.com/ForSaleX.html