Do you think there will be (top three) TPG's, 20, 40 years from now?
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I'm talking about the three major and most respected TPG's, third party grading services, PCGS, NGC, and ANACS. Considering ANACS has been around since the late 70's, early 80's, do you think these companies will continue to keep up a good reputation of detecting counterfeited/altered and other problem coins throughout 20+ years from now? Do you think they will even exist at all?

 

With counterfeit ANACS (old style) now being made in china, how do you think this will effect PCGS and NGC's slabs in the future? Possibly in the future this may also spread to these slabs.

 

Will appreciate any input.

 

Thanks

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Coin Slabbing of the Future

 

In the future, there will be only one combined grading service, PNGCS. This conglomerate will operate as one entity for the entire hobby of Numismatics. As of 07/01/2021 no other agency will be allowed to start up or combine with the Mother Ship after this cut-off date.

 

In addition to the regular grading skills, all future Graders will have E.S.P. capabilities . While they are holding the coin, the grader will see flashes of who actually handled that particular coin in the past. These extra sense abilities will immediately inform the grader if a coin is a counterfeit, has been doctored, or altered in any way and by WHOM!

 

Ports installed into the graders cerebellum will allow downloads of images so further prosecution can be executed.

 

The cases will be made of clear diamond silica carbonate, fused together with .05 mega-watt lasers in a argon-xenon gas matrix vacuum. On the Moh’s harness scale, this new slab material is equivalent to a natural occurring corundum (ruby) impervious to the most of common means of entry.

 

Before sealing the coin into the slab, a programmable digital electronic microprocessor was imbedded in the carbonate, pre-set to a determined frequency. This microprocessor will emit a frequency signal of between 900-1600 megahertz, the same as most modern day cell phones, so in essence, the slab is constantly calling up the Grading Service and asking a verifier for authenticity.

 

If the verifier determines that the slab or the coin contained is not the original as issued, the verifier will send out a mobile Tracking Goon Squad to collect the errant coin slab.

 

This Squad has at it’s disposal, all the means necessary to retrieve the grading services proxy property. Think of men dressed in all black, head gear, batons, boots, guns, battering rams...ahh kinda like present day SWAT Teams going in after a known felon. "We have a no-knock warrant from PNGCS!" BOOM!

 

Profiteers who wish to emulate the grading services will have a tough time, as the next generation f-bay and other auction venues will install screening devices to prohibit falsified/generic coin slabs.

 

Raw coin dealers will proliferate in the alleys and back rooms of abandoned pool halls and other dark seedy places. These RawC’s as they will become to be known, will still grace the outlawed Dansco albums that so many collectors now hide from the authorities.

 

The future is great…or is it?

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PCGS is a publicly traded company on the NASDAQ exchange. Who knows, maybe in 20 years NGC or ANACS will buy controlling stock and merge with them ! ?

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In forty years, all coins will be graded by computers using programs made up by the three TPG's

 

This, I could see!!

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i think by then we will all be history as people. seems to me i remember a show on the history channel that said we will probably be smashed to smithereens by a comet or something. so why worry?

 

 

 

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Coin Slabbing of the Future

 

In the future, there will be only one combined grading service, PNGCS. This conglomerate will operate as one entity for the entire hobby of Numismatics. As of 07/01/2021 no other agency will be allowed to start up or combine with the Mother Ship after this cut-off date.

 

In addition to the regular grading skills, all future Graders will have E.S.P. capabilities . While they are holding the coin, the grader will see flashes of who actually handled that particular coin in the past. These extra sense abilities will immediately inform the grader if a coin is a counterfeit, has been doctored, or altered in any way and by WHOM!

 

Ports installed into the graders cerebellum will allow downloads of images so further prosecution can be executed.

 

The cases will be made of clear diamond silica carbonate, fused together with .05 mega-watt lasers in a argon-xenon gas matrix vacuum. On the Moh’s harness scale, this new slab material is equivalent to a natural occurring corundum (ruby) impervious to the most of common means of entry.

 

Before sealing the coin into the slab, a programmable digital electronic microprocessor was imbedded in the carbonate, pre-set to a determined frequency. This microprocessor will emit a frequency signal of between 900-1600 megahertz, the same as most modern day cell phones, so in essence, the slab is constantly calling up the Grading Service and asking a verifier for authenticity.

 

If the verifier determines that the slab or the coin contained is not the original as issued, the verifier will send out a mobile Tracking Goon Squad to collect the errant coin slab.

 

This Squad has at it’s disposal, all the means necessary to retrieve the grading services proxy property. Think of men dressed in all black, head gear, batons, boots, guns, battering rams...ahh kinda like present day SWAT Teams going in after a known felon. "We have a no-knock warrant from PNGCS!" BOOM!

 

Profiteers who wish to emulate the grading services will have a tough time, as the next generation f-bay and other auction venues will install screening devices to prohibit falsified/generic coin slabs.

 

Raw coin dealers will proliferate in the alleys and back rooms of abandoned pool halls and other dark seedy places. These RawC’s as they will become to be known, will still grace the outlawed Dansco albums that so many collectors now hide from the authorities.

 

The future is great…or is it?

 

 

 

 

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it's kind of like a Fahrenheit 451 situation we have to hide all our raw coins or else a guy in a shiny suit will dispose of the illeal property...

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yes they will be around and they will lower their standards and change the grading to a five seperate areas in grading thus forcing collectors to get them regraded. their bottom line is making money and their doing a good job at it.

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Unless something drastic happens to any of the top three, or one of the no-name services suddenly gains a huge following, I don't see them going anywhere.

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Assuming the economy keeps more or less chugging along all 3 will still be here in 20 years. Beyond that, who knows?

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40 yrs the main grading companys will be in China. These companys will however have the grading done in the USA because labor there is cheaper, than in China since the fall of the dollar and the failure of the banking systems from bust in housing market and middle eastern countrys refusing to sell or take dollars in trade for oil.Then most oild shipments got to China for the huge auto industry 1 billion new drivers driving Fords who opened a plant there in 2015 because of poor sales in the USA where Toyota took over major spot in auto sales. --- OR there could be still 3

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I am skeptical TPG's as we know them will be around in the distant future. Eventually a computerized self grading holder that keeps the coin in stasis will be developed - goodbye the TPG's if they still exist. Or the whole numerical grading system will be overhauled or thrown out altogether. The current coin market has been dead in the water for sometime and many coins, especially ultra grade moderns seem to be trading on the "bigger fool" theory. Then too, the average shelf life of a coin in a TPG holder is around 3-7 yr before oxidation sets in and the coin needs to be busted out and given a dip. Fortunately, I turn my inventory quicker than that.

 

I think eventually a couple of the 4 major TPG's will either merge or go out of business. Sort of like the combining of the major accounting firms over the last couple of decades.

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Dateline, New, New York

Auto-Grader® proto-type discovered.

 

Today a maintenance man working in the lower levels of the recently demolished Empire State Building, unearthed a cache of old style paper backed photo’s. In the numerous stacks of old photos was the discovery of the proto-type of the highly acclaimed, Auto-Grader®. The highly recognized and successful Auto-Grader® is now in use world wide by most every coin collector on the planet.

 

This extraordinary find confirms that indeed a splinter group did break away from the combined grading service to form the notion that in the near future, there will be a “coin grader in every home”

 

Some of the detailed plans recovered included a brief summation of how the Auto-Grader® takes the inserted coin through several stages, to finally emerge at the end, fully graded and inside the now very recognizable Glucite slab.

 

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A. Hand crank

B. Static Compensator

C. Drum

D. Coin Chamber

E. Stand

F. Calibrator

G. Glucite injectors

H. Traverse Bar

 

D. Insert coin, token, chit into chamber with what ever side to be viewed first, facing out. Latch chamber closed.

Note: at this time, ensure tab printer is full of inserts, also have the injection molder pre-heated and full of plasticized pellets

A. Turn crank clockwise no faster than 60 RPM

C. As the collating drum revolves, the calibrator travels towards the coin drum, resets as the coin chamber flips to read the opposite side. When the calibrator is returned to the Home Position, your finalized coin will drop from the feeder rollers, directly onto a cooling tray.

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Darn I didn't know what that was. I passed on one at a yard sale just the other day for .50cents 27_laughing.gif

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*Note not responsible for damaged or mutilated coins.!!1875951-3_8_14.gif

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Interest in the hobby tends to wax and wane, and right now the boom in the hobby is at least partially fueled by the boomers whose interest in the hobby surged when they were reminded of their old friends by the U.S.mint and the state quarter program. When the boomers (or their heirs) liquidate, there will be a much smaller pool of buyers in the U.S. Who knows how the international investors will impact the market. I'd expect the TPG's will be critical going forward, as the market transitions to less experienced collectors. I doubt the market will support three undifferentiated services, but it needs at least two. JMO

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On 7/2/2007 at 12:39 PM, WoodenJefferson said:

Coin Slabbing of the Future

 

In the future, there will be only one combined grading service, PNGCS. This conglomerate will operate as one entity for the entire hobby of Numismatics. As of 07/01/2021 no other agency will be allowed to start up or combine with the Mother Ship after this cut-off date.

 

In addition to the regular grading skills, all future Graders will have E.S.P. capabilities . While they are holding the coin, the grader will see flashes of who actually handled that particular coin in the past. These extra sense abilities will immediately inform the grader if a coin is a counterfeit, has been doctored, or altered in any way and by WHOM! Your books on time accounting firms near me Virginia.

 

Ports installed into the graders cerebellum will allow downloads of images so further prosecution can be executed.

 

The cases will be made of clear diamond silica carbonate, fused together with .05 mega-watt lasers in a argon-xenon gas matrix vacuum. On the Moh’s harness scale, this new slab material is equivalent to a natural occurring corundum (ruby) impervious to the most of common means of entry.

 

Before sealing the coin into the slab, a programmable digital electronic microprocessor was imbedded in the carbonate, pre-set to a determined frequency. This microprocessor will emit a frequency signal of between 900-1600 megahertz, the same as most modern day cell phones, so in essence, the slab is constantly calling up the Grading Service and asking a verifier for authenticity.

 

If the verifier determines that the slab or the coin contained is not the original as issued, the verifier will send out a mobile Tracking Goon Squad to collect the errant coin slab.

 

This Squad has at it’s disposal, all the means necessary to retrieve the grading services proxy property. Think of men dressed in all black, head gear, batons, boots, guns, battering rams...ahh kinda like present day SWAT Teams going in after a known felon. "We have a no-knock warrant from PNGCS!" BOOM!

 

Profiteers who wish to emulate the grading services will have a tough time, as the next generation f-bay and other auction venues will install screening devices to prohibit falsified/generic coin slabs.

 

Raw coin dealers will proliferate in the alleys and back rooms of abandoned pool halls and other dark seedy places. These RawC’s as they will become to be known, will still grace the outlawed Dansco albums that so many collectors now hide from the authorities.

 

The future is great…or is it?

you're right.

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Most likely PCGS and NGC will be around 20 years from now with most of their grading done on foreign coins, especially Chinese ones. Unless there is a boom in numismatics in the U.S then, the TPG's will have more offices abroad

 

 

 

 

 

 

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In 20 years, all grading will be done over the Internet by computer. Apple will own one firm, which will own the hardware for that service that you buy to put into your home or business. Amazon will own another, and Microsoft will repeatedly screw up working on a third one. "Cortana, grade these three Standing Liberty Quarters now, please."

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