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Conder Tokens
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Boats1701

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You could fit in a thimble what I know about Conder Tokens but want to learn more. I researched a couple of reference books, HUNDREDS of dollars if you can find a copy.

I just spotted the attached book on Amazon. Is anyone familiar with it. Or have any recommendations.for a guy on a budget? Thanks 

Very Respectfully Kelly

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Boats1701

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I recently bought the attached token I have a few others haven't paid more than $25 for any individual token. I also bought a Jeton similar I'm told to Conder Tokens but earlier & typically French, Conder Tokens I m told are from Great Britain and Ireland. Here are pictures of the 2 I mentioned

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On 9/12/2021 at 10:36 PM, Just Bob said:

This is my go-to source for old books:

https://www.abebooks.com/

I love AbeBooks!!! I keep hoping that they'll get a copy of the Roman Imperial Coinage Volume 3: Antoninus Pius-Commodus (the volume that has Faustina the Younger in it......shocker, I know lol) but no luck yet.......I keep checking at least once a week.

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Yarm

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This site might come in handy.

https://www.scribd.com/document/206664745/The-provincial-token-coinage-of-the-18th-century-illustrated-by-R-Dalton-and-S-H-Hamer?ad_group=xxc1xx&campaign=VigLink&medium=affiliate&source=hp_affiliate

Heritage, Dix Noonan Webb an other firms have sold a lot of Conder tokens and their sites contain an archive of images and sale prices. You'll quickly find that most Conder tokens are available in choice uncirculated condition (because many were saved during the 18th century token mania in Britain). NGC and PCGS each have a census by Dalton & Hamer number so you can see where your token or a potential purchase might fit in. Happy hunting!

 

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Don't bother with the book you first listed by James Conder, that is a reprint of the book he published in 1795.  Kind of neat as an historical reference but completely unusable.  There are a couple other references from back in the 1790's but they are pretty much unusable as well.  For the most part no images, just description and in cases where there was more than one variety of a particular token it would be described and then for the other varieties the author knew of they would just be listed as "another, differently arranged"

The standard reference for the series is "The Provincial Token Coinage of the Eighteenth Century" by Dalton and Hammer.  This was originally published in a serial format in 1910-1918.  In 1967 the book was republished by Sanford Durst publications.  It was just the original serial published in book format..  It was reprinted again by Quarterman publications in 1977,  then by Allan Davisson in 1986?, 1990 and 2004.  He had a set of the original serial disbound and used it to make the plates for the new reprint.  In the 86, 90 and 2000 editions he also included new discoveries reported since the  original serial came out. (These tended to run $150 to $200 when they were published.)  The latest edition was published in 2015 by William McKivor.  Originally promoted as an all new version of D&H in the end it wound up still being just another reprint of the original serial with all the new information from the Davisson reprints and new discoveries since 2004.  This was originally $125 and there was a "deluxe" edition that was $225.

Be careful buying this book online, there are several people selling "print on demand" copies that do NOT contain the complete work.  For example this one https://www.ebay.com/itm/283323047952?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=283323047952&targetid=1264870805264&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9014942&poi=&campaignid=10455986539&mkgroupid=123050588060&rlsatarget=pla-1264870805264&abcId=2146002&merchantid=133929137&gclid=Cj0KCQjw1ouKBhC5ARIsAHXNMI948EbOmsHkycHGnNdIPFI1C2QfLGdGhyLRwXZG2X8-Z5AIWvagrMAaAh_fEALw_wcB

The title is right, but it is only 90 pages, the full book is 567 pages.

There is a copy of the McKivor reprint on ebay right now for $109, which is probably about a cheap as you're going to find this book.  (McKivor is dead now and I have no idea when the book will ever be reprinted again.)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/273768155282

There is a free version that can be downloaded in a PDF format at http://provincialtokencoinage.weebly.com/  but it says in needs the latest version of Adobe Flash to run so it may not work anymore.  This is a big file, 240 MB

There may also be a digital version available for $25 at http://www.condertokenbook.com/  You go there send him an email and make arrangements for purchase.  He will provide a website where the book can be downloaded.  I have a copy of it in the tablet I carry with me to shows.  It has been six years since I got it though so it may no longer be available, but the website is still active.

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