Errorists Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 A error proof coin still in its proof set or one that has been taken out of the set and certified??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Errorists said: A error proof coin still in its proof set or one that has been taken out of the set and certified??? Respectfully, I cannot imagine anything being worth more out of the packaging it originally came in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Errorists said: A error proof coin still in its proof set or one that has been taken out of the set and certified??? It is highly unlikely you have a proof coin error. It is far more likely damage, or less likely but possible, a variety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errorists Posted July 4, 2021 Author Share Posted July 4, 2021 17 hours ago, VKurtB said: It is highly unlikely you have a proof coin error. It is far more likely damage, or less likely but possible, a variety. Didn't ask if it were likely or not.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 14 minutes ago, Errorists said: Didn't ask if it were likely or not.. But you should have. I don’t believe I have ever seen a proof error, and I’ve been doing this for 58 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 I understand the point you are making but any card-carrying, dyed-in-the-wool experienced nuismatist with a practiced eye 👁 whose seen it all would know what mint error or variety is, whether still encased or in the raw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkFeld Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 20 minutes ago, VKurtB said: But you should have. I don’t believe I have ever seen a proof error, and I’ve been doing this for 58 years. And yet, they exist, so others have seen them, both in and out of their original packaging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkFeld Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 20 hours ago, Quintus Arrius said: Respectfully, I cannot imagine anything being worth more out of the packaging it originally came in. I disagree. In a great many cases, attribution of the the error (and grading by a major grading company) will add value and make such a coin far more liquid. Oldhoopster and VKurtB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, MarkFeld said: And yet, they exist, so others have seen them, both in and out of their original packaging. What sorts of errors? Why would they not be found during QC? Lots and lots of varieties, sure. But errors? Edited July 4, 2021 by VKurtB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkFeld Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 10 minutes ago, VKurtB said: What sorts of errors? Why would they not be found during QC? Lots and lots of varieties, sure. But errors? Certainly, not nearly all of the below linked coins would have been in sets, but some of them would have. https://coins.ha.com/c/search-results.zx?N=51+330+790+231&Ntk=SI_Titles&Nty=1&Ntt=proof&limitTo=all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errorists Posted July 4, 2021 Author Share Posted July 4, 2021 1 minute ago, MarkFeld said: Certainly, not nearly all of the below linked coins would have been in sets, but some of them would have. https://coins.ha.com/c/search-results.zx?N=51+330+790+231&Ntk=SI_Titles&Nty=1&Ntt=proof&limitTo=all That's a lot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 52 minutes ago, MarkFeld said: Certainly, not nearly all of the below linked coins would have been in sets, but some of them would have. https://coins.ha.com/c/search-results.zx?N=51+330+790+231&Ntk=SI_Titles&Nty=1&Ntt=proof&limitTo=all Yeah…. the vast majority of those would be surreptitiously removed from the mint, and likely created on purpose, not found in a set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkFeld Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 8 minutes ago, VKurtB said: Yeah…. the vast majority of those would be surreptitiously removed from the mint, and likely created on purpose, not found in a set. Agreed, but there are still a surprising number of legitimate/unintentional Proof coin errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, MarkFeld said: Agreed, but there are still a surprising number of legitimate/unintentional Proof coin errors. And in 58 years My Cousin Vinny hasn't come across any? Not even one? After hundreds of thousands of road- and frequent-flyer miles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Quintus Arrius said: And in 58 years My Cousin Vinny hasn't come across any? Not even one? After hundreds of thousands of road- and frequent-flyer miles? Only at Fred Weinberg’s tables at shows. Never “in the wild”. To repeat, though, lots of varieties. Ex. 1960 sd, 1979 & 81 Type 2’s, various doubled dies (NOT errors). Edited July 5, 2021 by VKurtB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1946Hamm Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 13 hours ago, VKurtB said: But you should have. I don’t believe I have ever seen a proof error, and I’ve been doing this for 58 years. How about this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numisport Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 14 hours ago, MarkFeld said: Certainly, not nearly all of the below linked coins would have been in sets, but some of them would have. https://coins.ha.com/c/search-results.zx?N=51+330+790+231&Ntk=SI_Titles&Nty=1&Ntt=proof&limitTo=all How can these coins be classified as errors if they were obviously struck on purpose in a clandestine fashion. Alex in PA. and VKurtB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numisport Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Cracked die is an error ? Whose fault is it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 [The quality control guy must have been out to lunch on this one...] k Alex in PA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex in PA. Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 3 hours ago, 1946Hamm said: How about this one. Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callinectes Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 I randomly came across this is a proof set, would this be an error? There is something on the coin causing the radiating toning? Thanks in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkFeld Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 10 minutes ago, Callinectes said: I randomly came across this is a proof set, would this be an error? There is something on the coin causing the radiating toning? Thanks in advance That looks like an environmental issue, not an error. Oldhoopster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callinectes Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 27 minutes ago, MarkFeld said: That looks like an environmental issue, not an error. Thanks, The dark spot on the center is three dimensional like a piece of slag on the coin, could that be from the mint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkFeld Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Callinectes said: Thanks, The dark spot on the center is three dimensional like a piece of slag on the coin, could that be from the mint? It could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callinectes Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 1 minute ago, MarkFeld said: It could. I guess I will send it in for grading, Should I leave it in the case set or take it out for submission. I have never sent a set to NGC before. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 10 minutes ago, Callinectes said: I guess I will send it in for grading, Should I leave it in the case set or take it out for submission. I have never sent a set to NGC before. Thanks See? This is precisely the kind of thing that is NOT an error. It’s damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, 1946Hamm said: How about this one. Cracked dies are NOT errors! This was the point of my challenge to the OP’s post. Everybody thinks everything’s an error, and they simply are NOT! Edited July 5, 2021 by VKurtB Alex in PA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numisport Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 I strongly advise against having it slabbed, you will be disappointed. Millions of these can be found with no problems or you could even buy one already slabbed in Pf 69 Ultra Cameo on the cheap. For a little more money look for a piece graded Pf 69 Star Ultra Cameo with optimum eye appeal as an early strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkFeld Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 13 minutes ago, Callinectes said: I guess I will send it in for grading, Should I leave it in the case set or take it out for submission. I have never sent a set to NGC before. Thanks I think it would be a waste of money to have it graded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 I am referring to the types of errors defined as such in Appendix A of the Red Book, not some definition made up by an Internet surfer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
