Patman54 Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 I am trying to determine whether or not these are the real deal Or are just replicas. I got them from what I believe to be a reputable dealer. Along with a bunch of other coins in a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenntucky Mike Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 I'm not very familiar with these but I would say they are replicas. I seem to remember a souvenir token type set of Cal. gold and that is probably where these came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patman54 Posted May 9, 2021 Author Share Posted May 9, 2021 Okay thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoghead515 Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 I'm still learning and I may be completely wrong but they look real grainy looking. I think they are replicas. The details are kinda mushy also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patman54 Posted May 9, 2021 Author Share Posted May 9, 2021 Ok thanks for the help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenntucky Mike Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 This is the set I was thinking of, Alex in PA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoghead515 Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, Fenntucky Mike said: This is the set I was thinking of, Are those replicas or the real deal? Cash mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenntucky Mike Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Hoghead515 said: Are those replicas or the real deal? Replicas, looks like you can pick up a set like that for $20 or so. Now that I'm looking around, there are also three and five token sets. Hoghead515 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patman54 Posted May 9, 2021 Author Share Posted May 9, 2021 They certainly look real but I guess that is the point but I would think that there is something to ID them as being a replica. So as not to be able to pass as the real thing Hoghead515 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoghead515 Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Patman54 said: They certainly look real but I guess that is the point but I would think that there is something to ID them as being a replica. So as not to be able to pass as the real thing Certain coins do have a little R stamped on them or COPY. But there are thousands out there circulating that has nothing on them. Very confusing sometimes if you don't know what to look for. Most were made by counterfeiters trying to pass them off on people as the real thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patman54 Posted May 9, 2021 Author Share Posted May 9, 2021 They passed the magnet test. Didn't stick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenntucky Mike Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, Patman54 said: They certainly look real but I guess that is the point but I would think that there is something to ID them as being a replica. So as not to be able to pass as the real thing It would be nice if there was the word "copy" or a "R" stamped on them but I don't think they look particularly close to the real thing either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patman54 Posted May 9, 2021 Author Share Posted May 9, 2021 Any ideas on how to have tested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenntucky Mike Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 11 minutes ago, Patman54 said: Any ideas on how to have tested I would look at certified examples first and compare them to yours. Once you've done that I think you'd agree that having these tested would be a waste of time and money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patman54 Posted May 9, 2021 Author Share Posted May 9, 2021 Ok great idea 💡 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 Most of these are jewelry trinkets or sold in souvenir sets to clueless tourists. Authentic pieces have the denomination on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 6 hours ago, Patman54 said: I am trying to determine whether or not these are the real deal Or are just replicas. I got them from what I believe to be a reputable dealer. Along with a bunch of other coins in a lot. The only thing I find troubling is the OP's comment that he bought them from what he "believed to be a reputable dealer." And whom might that be and why wouldn't you have expressed your concerns to him at that time? What representations were made in print, advertising, years in business, reviews, the BBB, or word of mouth that led you to believe he could be relied upon to sell you a legitimate product. Obvious signs are ridiculously low prices, pressure to "buy now," statements like, "these are the only ones I have left," and a "No Returns accepted, Cash only policy," or "Credit for returns only," leaving you on the hook for other possibly deficient merchandise. How much did you know about California fractionals before you came across these examples? I don't share the optimism of some members who are hopeful suggesting further comparisons or testing is being polite. If it is at all possible, I would take them back -- even if it means accepting a credit. This policy, incidentally, must appear on a receipt or posted in the establishment. Alex in PA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex in PA. Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 Here's a real 1880 Specimen. Notice that it has the word 'Dollar' under the denomination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex in PA. Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 5 hours ago, Patman54 said: They certainly look real You should have a look at 'REAL' California fractional gold. All of what you have shown lack the info on a real Reverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Alex in PA. said: Here's a real 1880 Specimen. Notice that it has the word 'Dollar' under the denomination. Well, that's the ball game. Alex in PA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex in PA. Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 5 hours ago, Fenntucky Mike said: This is the set I was thinking of, Bulls Eye! That's what he has. Fenntucky Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 10 hours ago, Patman54 said: I got them from what I believe to be a reputable dealer. Along with a bunch of other coins in a lot. Well, from the fake California gold the other coins could be cleaned damaged, counterfeit or vastly over priced. No reputable coin dealer - NONE - would ever foist those trinkets off on a buyer. Fenntucky Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patman54 Posted May 9, 2021 Author Share Posted May 9, 2021 Sorry just saw all your posts thanks for the help. This was a package deal and just said 2 pc of gold even though somewhat misleading or even just dishonest. But also didn't pay that much and did get some really nice BU SILVER QUARTERS. I still wonder what there made of. Would have been nice if were real. Also I am also from PA PITTSBURGH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoghead515 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 4 hours ago, Patman54 said: Sorry just saw all your posts thanks for the help. This was a package deal and just said 2 pc of gold even though somewhat misleading or even just dishonest. But also didn't pay that much and did get some really nice BU SILVER QUARTERS. I still wonder what there made of. Would have been nice if were real. Also I am also from PA PITTSBURGH Probably made out of a bronze alloy of some type. Alex in PA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Abshier Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 9 hours ago, Patman54 said: Also I am also from PA PITTSBURGH Same here as well born and raised never left the steel city . Welcome to forums Alex in PA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patman54 Posted May 10, 2021 Author Share Posted May 10, 2021 Awesome thanks and good to make your Acquaintance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Charriere Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 6 hours ago, Hoghead515 said: Probably made out of a bronze alloy of some type. (Comment withdrawn) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex in PA. Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 (edited) This is another NGC really good posting. We rarely see a lot of educational materiel on non-US Fractional Currency (California, Alaska, etc.) Edited May 10, 2021 by Alex in PA. Add information Hoghead515 and Henri Charriere 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Abshier Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 (edited) 16 hours ago, Quintus Arrius said: The only thing I find troubling is the OP's comment that he bought them from what he "believed to be a reputable dealer." And whom might that be and why wouldn't you have expressed your concerns to him at that time? What representations were made in print, advertising, years in business, reviews, the BBB, or word of mouth that led you to believe he could be relied upon to sell you a legitimate product. Obvious signs are ridiculously low prices, pressure to "buy now," statements like, "these are the only ones I have left," and a "No Returns accepted, Cash only policy," or "Credit for returns only," leaving you on the hook for other possibly deficient merchandise. How much did you know about California fractionals before you came across these examples? I don't share the optimism of some members who are hopeful suggesting further comparisons or testing is being polite. If it is at all possible, I would take them back -- even if it means accepting a credit. This policy, incidentally, must appear on a receipt or posted in the establishment. That’s some good tips you and I have a lot in common ... I’m leery when I meet new dealers , I ask some questions right off the bat such as “will buy this coin off me in later future if I decide to upgrade ?” “Are you willing to put a higher end coin on Lay a way payment plan for me?” I ask other questions as well . If they say “no” then I don’t want to do business with them I walk thank them for their time and be on my way ... there was an old saying my grandfather used to say in his antique store “the customers is always right , without customers I wouldn’t be in business sometimes you just have to listen to customers” seems like some so called “coin dealers” don’t follow that advice when conducting business and there is a lot sour apple out there in our coin collecting hobby I’ve met my fair share after all I’m the customer who spending my hard earn money buying coins to keep a dealer in business it’s a two way street when buying and selling a coin , I never ever let a dealer try to haggle me or pressure me like I don’t know what I’m doing and I just started collecting coins yesterday the same applies to any collecting hobby , I also collect a lot of antique older shotguns with engravings and stuff on receiver of guns ... I’ve met my fair share of gun dealers who don’t know how to conduct business very well but every once in awhile they get a chance to rip someone off who inherited some guns from a dead relative they took a low ball offer after they leave the dealer mocks them like they were dumb or something Edited May 10, 2021 by Jason Abshier Hoghead515 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patman54 Posted May 10, 2021 Author Share Posted May 10, 2021 Sad 😥 but true but have meet some good honest people. Is good advice thanks Hoghead515 and Jason Abshier 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
