1943 copper penny 1 1

[RonnieR131]

That dreaded word, 'rare'. Good luck with your find, send it in.

[Henri Charriere]

The strongest evidence militating against this being a 1943 is its worn condition considering its supposed vintage coupled with the fact that, save for a few other rarities in the series well-known to even non-collectors, this coin continues to be sought after to this day.

How many hands would a coin have had to go through to attain that totally defeated look with notably, only the critical numerals askew?  We have all seen coins from the 10's, 20's and 30's with that kind of wear and tear and few in the years since.  Bear in mind, this occurred in the face of an unyielding onslaught of publicity by coin magazines with their Top Ten most sought after coin lists, All Points Bulletins and Be On the Look Out ads.

Most of the Forums experts have weighed in.  Those that have not possibly felt no need to.  No certified collector likes having his coin criticized or dismissed out of hand, especially publicly, but the OP has failed to make his case -- and I would respectfully urge against authentication as futile, being both a waste of time and money.  

[Chickenswoup]

23 hours ago, VKurtB said:

I have to dissent on the recommendation of a digital scope. Garbage. Maybe an optical one, but not some junky USB embarrassment. 

Sorry Grandpa, but that’s just, like, your opinion.

[Henri Charriere]

2 minutes ago, Chickenswoup said:

Sorry Grandpa, but that’s just, like, your opinion.

Grandpa?  I've got a few years on him.  What's that make me?

Besides, have you checked this guy's bio?  He's got an array of heavy artillery to suit every occasion. He's been involved in photography for many decades. Not known to beat around the bush, he can be brash and direct -- but brutally honest and a fount of knowledge.

[Alex in PA.]

Another day - another 'rare' coin.    

[Lem E]

31 minutes ago, Chickenswoup said:

Sorry Grandpa, but that’s just, like, your opinion.

[Chickenswoup]

1 hour ago, Quintus Arrius said:

Grandpa?  I've got a few years on him.  What's that make me?

Besides, have you checked this guy's bio?  He's got an array of heavy artillery to suit every occasion. He's been involved in photography for many decades. Not known to beat around the bush, he can be brash and direct -- but brutally honest and a fount of knowledge.

That doesn’t justify bashing someone else’s equipment. I personally find no need in a magnifying glass, at least for now(28 so my eyes might get worse with age) I like the microscope, because I like to look at the details of coins, and see all sorts of abnormalities. If he can give me a good option, that can do the same, for under $200, please tell me. Otherwise he is just being a snob.

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[Coinbuf]

7 minutes ago, Chickenswoup said:

That doesn’t justify bashing someone else’s equipment. I personally find no need in a magnifying glass, at least for now(28 so my eyes might get worse with age) I like the microscope, because I like to look at the details of coins, and see all sorts of abnormalities. If he can give me a good option, that can do the same, for under $200, please tell me. Otherwise he is just being a snob.

Actually he is not being a snob, a microscope is one of the worst tools for most beginners.  I cannot tell you how many times we have seen a new collector use one and show us photos of supposed rarity's and amazing errors.   Every time its nothing, just some small random mark or stain that the newbie is completely convinced is some new discovery, it never is.   If you cannot see something with at most a 7X loop its just not worth finding.   I always say that everything looks like something at the micron level, problem is its not, that is not being a snob its just the truth.

[VKurtB]

3 hours ago, Chickenswoup said:

Sorry Grandpa, but that’s just, like, your opinion.

I’ve examined thoroughly literally every USB scope I’ve ever encountered, and I’ve encountered very many. There is not one on the market I would own. I do own an Amscope brand optical stereo microscope with a camera attachment. 

Edited March 15, 2021 by VKurtB

[Henri Charriere]

[Whew, that was close!  Thank you Coinbuf and VKurtB for resisting the urge to ridicule the standard 30-power loupe I use for routine examinations. (While I have gotten a 5-to-7-power magnifying glass for my wife to use for reading, I still do not understand or appreciate its utility to coin collectors.)

My feeling is this:  if you really want to know what the vast majority of coins you have are supposed to look like, you get the finest example you can acquire and get a feel for its field, legends and overall terraine.  Then, when you encounter its more common, circulation grade stepson, you have a good idea of what detail is missing and the degree to which damage has occurred.

Truth be told, I am unsatisfied with my loupe and am going to upgrade (ideally when VKurtB isn't watching).

My best advice to our new member is consider the pros and cons, however expressed, and settle on what works for you.  And thank your lucky stars you were not asked to referee the Forum's heavyweight bout on the respective merits of which of the two sources of light are better for grading: incandescent or fluorescent. Take your time to get to know the players here, and what you read, with a grain of salt. 

[Henri Charriere]

5 minutes ago, Quintus Arrius said:

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[Ray, USMC]

12 hours ago, Quintus Arrius said:

Grandpa?  I've got a few years on him.  What's that make me?

Besides, have you checked this guy's bio?  He's got an array of heavy artillery to suit every occasion. He's been involved in photography for many decades. Not known to beat around the bush, he can be brash and direct -- but brutally honest and a fount of knowledge.

I am guessing I would be in the great grandpa class and I totally agree with Quintas Arrius. Wait did I just say that.?

[Ray, USMC]

12 hours ago, Quintus Arrius said:

Grandpa?  I've got a few years on him.  What's that make me?

Besides, have you checked this guy's bio?  He's got an array of heavy artillery to suit every occasion. He's been involved in photography for many decades. Not known to beat around the bush, he can be brash and direct -- but brutally honest and a fount of knowledge.

I am guessing I would be in the great grandpa class and I totally agree with Quintas Arrius. Wait did I just say that.?

[Ray, USMC]

I would like to say for the record that this is not a Penny as stated, a common mistake is believing this to be a penny which it is not. It is in truth a CENT that being said it still is NOT a 1943 copper CENT.  In my limited knowledge the US  has never, coined for circulation, a PENNY. Could we please start calling them what they really are. ? A relics opinion. 

[Greenstang]

Thanks Ray,USMC

Finally someone agrees with me. A “penny” is the UK version of the North American cent. I once brought this up on another Forum and got shot down because there are some coin wrappers that say 50 pennies. It is not as bad here in Canada as they are mostly called correctly but there are some that incorrectly refer to them as pennies. I find that it is mostly newbies that make that reference and I try to correct them whenever I can.

I’m sure that there will be other opinions on this but I am old school and like to call a cent a cent.

[RonnieR131]

A cent for your thoughts.

[Greenstang]

"A penny for your thoughts" is an old English saying originating in the mid 1500's, hence the use of the word Penny.

[JKK]

Slang and shorthand are fine for those who use them, given that the target audience understands. I'm definitely not going to start saying "quarter dollar" for the 25c piece, and I wouldn't wait up for me to abjure "nickel" as slang for the 5c piece.

[Oldhoopster]

3 hours ago, Ray, USMC said:

I would like to say for the record that this is not a Penny as stated, a common mistake is believing this to be a penny which it is not. It is in truth a CENT that being said it still is NOT a 1943 copper CENT.  In my limited knowledge the US  has never, coined for circulation, a PENNY. Could we please start calling them what they really are. ? A relics opinion. 

 

2 hours ago, Greenstang said:

Thanks Ray,USMC

Finally someone agrees with me. A “penny” is the UK version of the North American cent. I once brought this up on another Forum and got shot down because there are some coin wrappers that say 50 pennies. It is not as bad here in Canada as they are mostly called correctly but there are some that incorrectly refer to them as pennies. I find that it is mostly newbies that make that reference and I try to correct them whenever I can.

I’m sure that there will be other opinions on this but I am old school and like to call a cent a cent.

 

Somebody needs to tell the mint 

https://www.usmint.gov/coins/coin-medal-programs/circulating-coins/penny

FWIW, I agree that the correct term is CENT and as numismatists, we should use the correct terminology.  A doctor doesn't say "We need to shove this thing up your butt" when you go in for a colonoscopy. 

[Henri Charriere]

[Aside: Well, a police officer is still a cop in NYC and while I haven't heard G-man in many a blue moon, I still hear one-dollar bills referred to as bucks, five-dollar notes referred to as a fins and a ten-dollar bill referred to as a sawbuck.  If a Benjamin is a reference to the hundred-dollar bill, the Tubman for the twenty cannot be too far behind if some people have their way (though I hope they choose to use a more flattering photo of her than the one I have seen).

I can still remember when our older brethren referred to the large size currency once in circulation as horse blankets. Occasionally, you may hear ducats used as a reference to money. And while a disme sounds dismal, I have never heard anyone in the hobby object to the ten- and twenty-dollar gold pieces being referred to as "eagles" and "double eagles," respectively.]

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[Ray, USMC]

1 hour ago, JKK said:

Slang and shorthand are fine for those who use them, given that the target audience understands. I'm definitely not going to start saying "quarter dollar" for the 25c piece, and I wouldn't wait up for me to abjure "nickel" as slang for the 5c piece.

Again I believe quarter is the correct reference for a quarter dollar. Penny in not for the cent. 

[Ray, USMC]

1 hour ago, Quintus Arrius said:

[Aside: Well, a police officer is still a cop in NYC and while I haven't heard G-man in many a blue moon, I still hear one-dollar bills referred to as bucks, five-dollar notes referred to as a fins and a ten-dollar bill referred to as a sawbuck.  If a Benjamin is a reference to the hundred-dollar bill, the Tubman for the twenty cannot be too far behind if some people have their way (though I hope they choose to use a more flattering photo of her than the one I have seen).

I can still remember when our older brethren referred to the large size currency once in circulation as horse blankets. Occasionally, you may hear ducats used as a reference to money. And while a disme sounds dismal, I have never heard anyone in the hobby object to the ten- and twenty-dollar gold pieces being referred to as "eagles" and "double eagles," respectively.]

Quintus, I assumed to get reference flak and just to be clear I don't object until it becomes clear to me that pennies are most often found in foreign coins and most of the nicknames you describe were way back on the seedy side of handling money . People can call  them anything they like, simply pointing out the correct name for the coveted cent sorry if this did not sit well with you. I will try to refrain from comic interjections going forward. No promises.US has been and always will be correctly CENT. 

[Henri Charriere]

5 minutes ago, Ray, USMC said:

Quintus, I assumed to get reference flak and just to be clear I don't object until it becomes clear to me that pennies are most often found in foreign coins and most of the nicknames you describe were way back on the seedy side of handling money . People can call  them anything they like, simply pointing out the correct name for the coveted cent sorry if this did not sit well with you. I will try to refrain from comic interjections going forward. No promises.US has been and always will be correctly CENT. 

Agreed. Matter of fact, I am going to stop using "two bits" but hope no one will begrudge my continued use, when circumstances dictate, of "case quarter."  😉

[Conder101]

17 hours ago, Quintus Arrius said:

I have never heard anyone in the hobby object to the ten- and twenty-dollar gold pieces being referred to as "eagles" and "double eagles," respectively.

Well in the case of the ten dollar coin, its proper name as specified in the Mint act of 1792 was an Eagle with the 5 dollar and 2.5 dollar as being half and quarter eagles  We don't object because those are their proper names.

SEC. 9. And be it further enacted, That there shall be from time to time struck and coined at the said mint, coins of gold, silver, and copper, of the following denominations, values and descriptions, viz. Eagles—each to be of the value of ten dollars or units, and to contain two hundred fort-seven grains and four eighths of a grain of pure, or two hundred and seventy grains of standard gold. Half eagles—each to be of the value of five dollars, and to contain one hundred and twenty three grains and six eights of a grain of pure, or one hundred and thirty five grains of standard gold. Quarter Eagles—each to be of the value of two dollars and a half dollar, and to contain sixty one grains and seven eights of a grain of pure, or sixty seven grains and four eights of a grain of standard gold.

[Henri Charriere]

Impressive research by Conder101.  I am greatly indebted for bringing this to the attention of all, like me, who did not know.  Terms used matter.

[VKurtB]

1 hour ago, Quintus Arrius said:

Impressive research by Conder101.  I am greatly indebted for bringing this to the attention of all, like me, who did not know.  Terms used matter.

Come on Quintus, this should all be considered common knowledge. 

[Henri Charriere]

1 hour ago, VKurtB said:

Come on Quintus, this should all be considered common knowledge. 

Honestly, I never really thought about it.  I still don't know if the 1956 Flying Eagle cent is a pattern, a coin, or both. And I don't know why coins minted for circulation since dinosaurs roamed the earth suddenly became "business" strikes. I've got a lot to learn. 

[Hoghead515]

Looks like a 1912 or 1917. Definitely in the teens. 

[Sharann]

I just can't help it. I have got to put in my two "cents" 🤣... 

Personally, as long as I know what you are talking about, I don't care what they are called, but then again I like to I choose my battles. However, I do enjoy a good debate, so, for those purposes only, I am gonna chime in.

In the scenario below, the person, whom we will call Pat since gender is unknown, has three pennies/cents, one nickel, and one dime. 

 Pat is in line to get a piece of bubble gum. He is hoping to have enough symbols of monetary value in his pocket to afford it. The cashier says that $. 18 (which normally, in the U.S.would be stated as 18 cents) should be remitted as payment. Now, does Pat leave the store with a broken heart and bad breath because of the lack of 18 "cents" (remember he only had three cents/pennies) or does Pat leave ready for a date and give the cashier the coins within his/her pocket with a value equal to $. 18, the amount due? 

So here we are... The prefix cent means 100th, or one part of 100,right? So, in my mind, one cent is the amount equivalent to one hundredth of one dollar. Its physical symbol just happens to be what we coined as the penny. Had we coined the nickel to be that equivalence, then it could also be a cent. So I said all that to say this, IMHSO, I feel as though cents are values and pennies, nickels, etc. are symbols of such values. 

I hope y'all can understand this because my mind was talking way faster than my hands could type. If not, well the meaning (value) of my words (symbols) weren't coinciding 😂. Have a spectacular day!! I am headed to town. 

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[JT2]

SHARANN WINS!!!  you re all in need of beinf sent to your rooms without supper....  this will lend time for contemplation of the value of the United States copper CENT! hahhhahahahhaha  heheheheh