Polka Dots on Morgans 0

[csteiner23]

I thought I had a ugly spot on my GSA Morgan, then I saw another for sale with the same thing. See attached, its like a mesh of polka dots. Is this possibly something that happened to the Morgan when it was against the bag? Does it effect the grade?

Thanks for your ideas

[MarkFeld]

Welcome to the forum. Yes, the pattern you’re asking about is referred to as “textile toning”, the result of the coin being in contact with the bag in which it resided for a long period of time.

That’s an especially prominent example.

Edited December 24, 2020 by MarkFeld

[RWB]

The standard explanation is it's tarnish from the canvas bag the coin sat in for decades. (In 1890 they were using 9 oz cotton Duck canvas -- I've got the name of the supplier in my database.)

[The unconventional version is that the 1890 coin was actually made in the secret Warsaw Mint in Polish Russia. The effect is known as "polka dots" and is caused by the incessant playing of polkas on accordions at the mint. This disturbed the solidification of silver and the pattern resulted from harmonic reinforcement of the accordion reeds vibrating. It's really a very sad chapter in Polish/Russian history - as no clarinets were available.]

(Courtesy Roland, Australia, Inc.)

Edited December 24, 2020 by RWB

[RWB]

In the above photo, notice the deranged man with the dagger going after a member of the accordion player's family. The men in armor were there to protect the accordions, not the mint's gold.

[Hoghead515]

22 minutes ago, RWB said:

In the above photo, notice the deranged man with the dagger going after a member of the accordion player's family. The men in armor were there to protect the accordions, not the mint's gold.

Can't really tell but the guard on the right kinda looks like he's smiling. 

[RWB]

This sample - found in the secret Warsaw Mint archives - is a graphic example of what caused the "polka dots" on the OP's coin. Some experts, including the late Lawrence Welk, considered this the finest example of polka music in the world....well so it says on the internet. (Notice the amazing use of A-flat against G in the bass in bar 21...such stable genius creativity.)

Edited December 24, 2020 by RWB

[KyCoinKollektor]

Could it possibly be a cheese clothed coin, I’ve seen several coins graded with that attribute

[RWB]

2 hours ago, KyCoinKollektor said:

Could it possibly be a cheese clothed coin, I’ve seen several coins graded with that attribute

What kind of cheese?

(Actually, the fabric pattern is a good match for the bag canvas used in 1890.)

[MAULEMALL]

32 minutes ago, RWB said:

What kind of cheese?

(Actually, the fabric pattern is a good match for the bag canvas used in 1890.)

maybe you should stick to polka or reinvestigate some more light bulb receipts..

[KyCoinKollektor]

59 minutes ago, MAULEMALL said:

maybe you should stick to polka or reinvestigate some more light bulb receipts..

 

[MAULEMALL]

42 minutes ago, KyCoinKollektor said:

 

thats nice.. Yours?

Why only 62?

Edited to add Merry Christmas.

 

Edited December 25, 2020 by MAULEMALL

[KyCoinKollektor]

4 minutes ago, MAULEMALL said:

thats nice.. Yours?

Why only 62?

Edited to add Merry Christmas.

 

No, I just felt my possible theory was taken lightly, so i posted this to calm down the children 

[MAULEMALL]

31 minutes ago, KyCoinKollektor said:

No, I just felt my possible theory was taken lightly, so i posted this to calm down the children 

If I gave you that impression I am sorry. I think the Morgan is a quality coin ..

Edited December 25, 2020 by MAULEMALL

[MarkFeld]

8 hours ago, KyCoinKollektor said:

 

As you can see, that’s very different looking than “textile toning”.

[Hoghead515]

My thoughts when I saw it was it sit in a coin bag horded up for years. Sitting right against the side of the bag and it left that pattern. Could have set in a vault for decades like that. That was what came to my mind when I first saw it. I could be wrong tho. 

[kenlee47]

I wish I could have had some of what @RWBwas drinking!!