Annabell Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 1966 quarter I got at a grocery store. The quarter has a half moon type ring on both obverse and reverse. From what I can tell its even with front and back. Does anyone know if this coin is error from mint or post mint damage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James_OldeTowne Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 This one is interesting, and beyond my knowledge. I hope an expert can offer some insights! Annabell 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsshog40 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 If I'm not mistaken, @ProfHaroldHill had a cent with this same type of strike. Not sure if they came up with an answer. I'm thinking this was a mint error but not sure. Annabell 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Greenstang Posted October 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 28, 2020 It looks to me like an incomplete clip which would be a planchet error, not a mint error. My only concern is that is if it genuine or made on purpose to make it look like an error. On the Obverse the clip does not go over the edge of the coin plus the thickness in some areas. Perhaps someone can verify it either way. Annabell, Fenntucky Mike and ProfHaroldHill 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conder101 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 It does look like it could be an incomplete clip. Can't be sure from the images. Key would be a closer examination of the lettering where the cut passes through them. RonnieR131 and ProfHaroldHill 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annabell Posted October 29, 2020 Author Share Posted October 29, 2020 On 10/28/2020 at 7:56 AM, Greenstang said: It looks to me like an incomplete clip which would be a planchet error, not a mint error. My only concern is that is if it genuine or made on purpose to make it look like an error. On the Obverse the clip does not go over the edge of the coin plus the thickness in some areas. Perhaps someone can verify it either way. On the reverse the line goes over both sides on the rim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Damage, just as on the cent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moxie15 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 I agree with RWB. There are, however many knowledgeable people here who will disagree. I think the only way to be sure is to send it to either a TPG or an error expert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfHaroldHill Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 4 hours ago, RWB said: Damage, just as on the cent. Most at CU PCGS forum agree that my cent is indeed an 'incomplete punch' flaw/error. This quarter has indications of the same. Perhaps @Annabell would be better served with a thread ATS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfHaroldHill Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 On 10/28/2020 at 5:53 AM, bsshog40 said: If I'm not mistaken, @ProfHaroldHill had a cent with this same type of strike. Not sure if they came up with an answer. I'm thinking this was a mint error but not sure. I can't Link the thread from where I am right now, but I started a thread ATS about my 1911 Lincoln Cent, (also posted here in another thread,) and most agree that it's very likely an 'incomplete punch' flaw. I'll be sending it in soon. I think the OP may well have one too, as others suggest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenstang Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 I would also like to disagree. After looking at the closeup photos, I see no sign of metal displacement from being damaged and am more sure than not that this is a genuine error. I guess the only way to tell for sure would be to send it to a TPG to get verified. If it is truly an incomplete clip, it would be worth it. Annabell 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsshog40 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 (edited) Here is the post ATS; Click Cent Edited October 30, 2020 by bsshog40 Annabell 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Blank cutters were (and are) "all or nothing" machines - there is no "in between." Full-stroke and half-stroke (cutter blade above and below the strip) produced similar results. Full stroke was by far the most used and it cut to the strike bed under the strip. The upsetting mill makes the blank a uniform diameter with a proto-rim, thus creating a planchet. A defective blank will be ejected or broken by the machine's lateral pressure. When a coin is struck, metal flow will obliterate most rim irregularities; likewise for the relief. The arcs might have been made by other mint equipment or outside the mint as a consequence of handling. Just a casual thought or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annabell Posted October 30, 2020 Author Share Posted October 30, 2020 Can someone elaborate what ATS is? I am new to proper coin lingo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsshog40 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 10 minutes ago, Annabell said: Can someone elaborate what ATS is? I am new to proper coin lingo. It's in reference to the PCGS collectors forum. ATS: Across The Street. Annabell 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conder101 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 After seeing the close ups I am even more convinced that it is an incomplete blanking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenstang Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Quote After seeing the close ups I am even more convinced that it is an incomplete blanking. Glad that someone agrees with me. Looking at the photo of a known incomplete clip, I see many of the same attributes. The only way to know for sure is to send it to a TPG Annabell 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annabell Posted October 31, 2020 Author Share Posted October 31, 2020 15 hours ago, Greenstang said: Glad that someone agrees with me. Looking at the photo of a known incomplete clip, I see many of the same attributes. The only way to know for sure is to send it to a TPG Wow nice nickel I am glad so see that you have the almost exact problem. 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annabell Posted October 31, 2020 Author Share Posted October 31, 2020 How much do you'll think it would to be to send it off to NGC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenstang Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Quote How much do you'll think it would to be to send it off to NGC? Go back to the main page and on the heading, click on "Submit". all the information you need will be there. Annabell 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moxie15 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Here is an overview of the coin blank making process. It is an European plant but likely not too different than the company the US uses. http://monea-coin-technology.sk/en/blanks.html Annabell 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James_OldeTowne Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 My first (slight) inclination was to think it might be an as-struck error. Now having read others' comments and after mulling over the possibilities, I am thinking this is worth certifying, mostly for the educational aspect. Annabell 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
