Coin Worlds Most Influential People in Numismatics Survey 1 1

[RWB]

Good work! Just filling out the forms correctly is 95% of the task. (The other 5% is keeping mustard off the slabs.)

[VKurtB]

2 minutes ago, RWB said:

Good work! Just filling out the forms correctly is 95% of the task. (The other 5% is keeping mustard off the slabs.)

And dealers' shirts, Hawaiian or otherwise.

Edited October 28, 2020 by VKurtB

[gmarguli]

42 minutes ago, VKurtB said:

NGC's staff is helpful and charming.

Minus one who is routinely rude to me. No joke:

• "I'm too busy right now to accept a submission" while casually chatting with a coworker and not busy at all.
• After asking someone at the table the submission cutoff time and then being there 30+ minutes before, "We're no longer accepting submissions". I thought the cut off was 30+ minutes from now? "Not anymore, because I said so". Tore up NGC submission form and walked right over to the PCGS table and submitted the ~80 coins to them.
• Walked up to the table with a friend who wanted to submit coins. Asked a question about a submission. Upon follow-up question, "I don't have time for this" and walked away from us. As we walked away my friend asked me "why does she hate you"? Friend ended up submitting the 300+ coins to PCGS. I believe my friend has never used NGC since. 

Now I'll wait until David Lange is there to drop off a submission as he's always nice. 

Other than this one person, everyone at NGC has been awesome and super friendly. 

[VKurtB]

5 minutes ago, gmarguli said:

Minus one who is routinely rude to me. No joke:

• "I'm too busy right now to accept a submission" while casually chatting with a coworker and not busy at all.
• After asking someone at the table the submission cutoff time and then being there 30+ minutes before, "We're no longer accepting submissions". I thought the cut off was 30+ minutes from now? "Not anymore, because I said so". Tore up NGC submission form and walked right over to the PCGS table and submitted the ~80 coins to them.
• Walked up to the table with a friend who wanted to submit coins. Asked a question about a submission. Upon follow-up question, "I don't have time for this" and walked away from us. As we walked away my friend asked me "why does she hate you"? Friend ended up submitting the 300+ coins to PCGS. I believe my friend has never used NGC since. 

Now I'll wait until David Lange is there to drop off a submission as he's always nice. 

Other than this one person, everyone at NGC has been awesome and super friendly. 

You have reminded me of one thing in PCGS's favor. Among the last few major shows I've been to, NGC has packed up earlier than PCGS has. If that becomes chronic, rather than just the way outbound flights fall, it'll be a strike against NGC. We'll see. Orlando and Phoenix will be interesting. One show much much closer for one firm or the other at both shows. I'd expect PCGS to head out earlier at F.U.N. and NGC to do so at ANA Phoenix.

Edited October 28, 2020 by VKurtB

[Henri Charriere]

On 10/26/2020 at 8:47 PM, RWB said:

Here are some picks to choose from....

Terrific sense of humor!

[Walkerfan]

Can't believe that Bruce Fox, Gerry Forsythe, Gene Gardner and Scott Travers were not on the list!!!

[Henri Charriere]

On 10/28/2020 at 2:37 PM, VKurtB said:

PCGS people come across as rude, offensive, and entitled.

[The very traits which have made Gucci a brand-name with worldwide recognition.]

[MarkFeld]

10 hours ago, Walkerfan said:

Can't believe that Bruce Fox, Gerry Forsythe, Gene Gardner and Scott Travers were not on the list!!!

In what way(s) do you feel each of those individuals was so influential? 

[RWB]

The final list will likely be dominated by people whose names are familiar to respondents. If most respondents are typical collectors, then you'll find a greater proportion of dealer and "big" collector names as finalists. If more specialist and high-end collectors submit names, the list will be dominated by people who sell or write about specialty areas. And so forth....

[LINCOLNMAN]

The title of the list is an odd choice as it appears that only living persons are included. Should just say 2020. 

[scopru]

1 hour ago, RWB said:

The final list will likely be dominated by people whose names are familiar to respondents.

100%.  So instead of calling the list "most influential"  - a more appropriate title would be "most recognized" or "most popular" based on what type of collectors vote..  

Edited November 15, 2020 by scopru

[Walkerfan]

5 hours ago, MarkFeld said:

In what way(s) do you feel each of those individuals was so influential? 

Two were very influential, pioneering authors, while the other two are/were lifelong numismatists who studied and assembled world class collections.......No different than D.L. Hansen or B. Morelan, Et Al.    

Edited November 15, 2020 by Walkerfan

[VKurtB]

6 hours ago, MarkFeld said:

In what way(s) do you feel each of those individuals was so influential? 

Well, Travers very well may be the all-time king of self-promotion. When I first met Scott in person, I was certain that while I may bathe again, I might not ever be truly clean again. The Sultan of Smarm.

Edited November 15, 2020 by VKurtB

[Walkerfan]

1 hour ago, VKurtB said:

Well, Travers very well may be the all-time king of self-promotion. When I first met Scott in person, I was certain that while I may bathe again, I might not ever be truly clean again. The Sultan of Smarm.

I didn't get that impression from Scott, in any way, when I met him.  He seemed very genuine.  His 'Coin Collector's Survival Manual' is a fantastic book and is one of my all-time favorites.  I've read it several times over.  

Edited November 15, 2020 by Walkerfan

[Henri Charriere]

11 minutes ago, Walkerfan said:

I didn't that impression from Scott, in any way.  He seemed very genuine.  His 'Coin Collector's Survival Manual' is a fantastic book and is one of my all-time favorites.  I've read it several times over.  

[Interesting preference. The author, at the very least, will be pleased to learn at least one reader and devoted fan feels -- while not exactly a mover-and-shaker -- he has had enough of an outsized presence in numismatics as Henry Ford and his assembly line had on automobiles. The ultimate compliment.]

[MarkFeld]

2 hours ago, Walkerfan said:

Two were very influential, pioneering authors, while the other two are/were lifelong numismatists who studied and assembled world class collections.......No different than D.L. Hansen or B. Morelan, Et Al.    

Thank you. I asked, because my thought is that in most cases, even collectors who assemble amazing collections, aren’t necessarily especially influential. That doesn’t mean they’re not greatly respected, appreciated or admired. Just that, their collections might not influence others on a widespread basis.

[numisport]

On 10/27/2020 at 9:43 PM, GoldFinger1969 said:

Anybody ever talk to this guy (I wonder if he was at FUN earlier this year) ?  I wonder what is his rationale for selling the overpriced stuff he hawks on TV. 

Yes I have talked to Rick on the phone a few times years ago. No I'm not a fan of telemarketing but have purchased some beautiful cameo proofs from him. I posted a '57 Lincoln recently that was purchased from him during the time he was telemarketing which proves he can multi task. I understand his daughter handles a lot of the sales of late. I do own his books and consider myself lucky enough to have purchased a number of '36 to '42 knockout proof coins that have all since been verified by CAC. Rick also sold some of my coins on consignment when I was in a financial pickle. So you see there are dealers out there whose coins stand alone above the rest, you just have to know where to look.

[GoldFinger1969]

37 minutes ago, MarkFeld said:

Thank you. I asked, because my thought is that in most cases, even collectors who assemble amazing collections, aren’t necessarily especially influential. That doesn’t mean they’re not greatly respected, appreciated or admired. Just that, their collections might not influence others on a widespread basis.

I think Philip Morse and Steve Duckor are definitely collectors who had influence (both for their collections and the HA books they are part of).  Eliasberg, too, though before my time.

[GoldFinger1969]

23 minutes ago, numisport said:

So you see there are dealers out there whose coins stand alone above the rest, you just have to know where to look.

But he can't possibly sell the same merchandise I see on TV through his online or coin shop or at big coin shows -- he's way too high in price.

Right ?

 

 

[Walkerfan]

31 minutes ago, GoldFinger1969 said:

I think Philip Morse and Steve Duckor are definitely collectors who had influence (both for their collections and the HA books they are part of).  Eliasberg, too, though before my time.

Agree 

[VKurtB]

2 hours ago, Walkerfan said:

I didn't get that impression from Scott, in any way, when I met him.  He seemed very genuine.  His 'Coin Collector's Survival Manual' is a fantastic book and is one of my all-time favorites.  I've read it several times over.  

To each his own, I suppose. That New York City ultra-promoter shtick is some people’s cup o’ tea, but like fingernails on a chalkboard to me.

[numisport]

On 11/15/2020 at 2:18 PM, GoldFinger1969 said:

But he can't possibly sell the same merchandise I see on TV through his online or coin shop or at big coin shows -- he's way too high in price.

Right ?

 

 

That is correct. He doesn't hve a showroom and his online sales are just that. He offers generally high end Franklins and cameo proofs, some of which are finer known pieces. They don't like milk spots or other distractions just the real thing. Some collectors see low auction prices for this stuff and that's what you get ..... low quality.