2nd Opinion on a Couple DDOs (Quarter and Half) Before Submitting 0

[ac80]

I am preparing to submit a large number of coins including a couple that I think are double dies: 1 x 1945 s Quarter, and 2 x 1964 D Half. I am fairly confident on the halves but the Quarter makes me a little nervous as there isn't a recognized DDO for the date. https://imgur.com/a/NP9Jkcn

I uploaded the photos to IMGUR instead of to this page due to file size constraints 

Thanks!

Edited October 2, 2020 by ac80

[ac80]

[RWB]

Have you checked the on-line specialist listings for these? You photos are great, but they all appear to be mechanical doubling - not doubled dies. Check first and potentially save yourself a LOT of $$$.

[Coinbuf]

The half shows some clear splits on the serfs so I would say that is a DDO however I did not attempt to match it up on Variety Vista.  If there are no known DDO's for that date in the Washington quarter series then I do not think the TPG's will recognize or slab it as a DDO.  It does look like a possible DDO from your photos (with some strike doubling also) but in order to get it in a slab with the DDO on the label you are going to have to have it verified and authenticated as a DDO first.  If you are successful in doing so you would be able to have is slabbed as the discovery piece.

[RWB]

The slides from NGC should help.

[ac80]

@Coinbuf- I ended up not sending in the quarter for the reasons you mentioned. I did submit the halves and if I am wrong then I guess it will be a learning experience. I am fairly confident they are DDOs because, as you said, there are splits on the serif. The other obvious indicator, imo, is the split on the base of the 4.

 

@RWBI appreciate the resources. I think it is funny that they rules for the signs of what is a DDO change depending on when the coin was minted. Especially when it comes to copper coins in the mid to late 1800s. The flying eagle and IHP ddo's I have seen seem to have clear "shelves" which are indicative of some other cause of the doubling, o. I also wonder whether that 1920 isn't also die erosion and not "strike doubling" but who knows. 

[RWB]

As technology changed, so did its effects on coinage. For example, after 1907 hubs were made by direct reduction on a Janvier reducing lathe. "Overdates" occurred when the same die was pressed into two different dated hubs, rather than some type of manual repunching.

[RonnieR131]

My brother got tired of discarding all of his mechanically doubled coins, and after about 20 yrs., in the mid 90's started throwing the most extreme ones in a plastic bucket. He knows his stuff, knows they're 'no counts', and knows they're not acknowledged by anyone. He's never been confused about any of them, no wishful thinking at all, a realist. On a rainy day a couple of yrs ago he went thru them, discarded about 75% of them, and kept only the extreme of the extreme. He put them in cardboard displays, denomination being the only  organization, not dates or anything else. When he gets the rare chance to show off his legitimate coins, sets etc., het gets congratulated. Then he said, when he shows his extreme 'no count' unrecognized common mechanically doubled pieces, guess what? That's the ones that get the all of the attention, oohs and aahs. Then he has to explain to the ones that are non collectors that they are worthless and why they are. Many are as good as the 1920 example above, and some even more extreme. Why am I bothering to say this? Because I already know the neat collection he has, studied them several times, been there done that. When I go to his town to see him, the first thing we ask is to see his 'no count' pieces. Fun and interesting! So ac80, the ones that aren't real doubled dies, the 'extreme' ones, save them anyway, you won't regret it.

[RWB]

Great comment from ronnie stein! A hobby is what you make of it - and maybe what it helps make of you.