Thoughts on this 1833 Dime 0

[Zebo]

What are your thoughts on this 1833 dime? 

[MarkFeld]

The surfaces look granular and there are dark areas - particularly on the reverse - which look like possible/probable environmental damage.

[zadok]

curious planchet defect at star 9....

[RWB]

Lots of tiny scratches and scrapes. The coin has seen a lot of the countryside. A pleasant album coin.

 

[Zebo]

Agree with all. The above -- was hoping Jason would chime I too. lots of things going on with it.

[RWB]

Well --- I wasn't going to say anything --- but the hidden camera in the eagle's belly button (behind the shield) is an interesting feature. Probably added after the date on the coin. I won't mention the microwave transmitter....

[James_OldeTowne]

Is it genuine?  It looks almost like brass (which could be just due to the toning, of course).

[Zebo]

19 minutes ago, James_OldeTowne said:

Is it genuine?  It looks almost like brass (which could be just due to the toning, of course).

It is genuine - could be just the photo.

[James_OldeTowne]

In that case, I am thinking JR-8, which is a much better die-marriage for 1833 - probably still R.5.  And I like it as a straight-grade VF, even with the little planchet flaw.  It could well be a $300 coin.

Edited October 1, 2020 by James_OldeTowne

[Zebo]

55 minutes ago, James_OldeTowne said:

In that case, I am thinking JR-8, which is a much better die-marriage for 1833 - probably still R.5.  And I like it as a straight-grade VF, even with the little planchet flaw.  It could well be a $300 coin.

Thanks James - I'll have to look at this one a bit closer. I'm not a dime guy - so this is interesting. 

[Coinbuf]

I'm not up on the nuances of bust dimes, there seems to be some corrosion and the fresh looking scratch on the rev (right wing as viewed) is of concern.  I am not sure about a straight grade but would not completely rule it out, I would do the research on it and then put it in my type set album and enjoy it.

[James_OldeTowne]

I do hope Zebo does the research.  If I'm correct and this is a legitimately rare die-marriage, that might change the type-set strategy.  This one could be sold at a significant premium, and the proceeds used to purchase a commoner die-marriage in higher grade.

[Zebo]

1 hour ago, James_OldeTowne said:

I do hope Zebo does the research.  If I'm correct and this is a legitimately rare die-marriage, that might change the type-set strategy.  This one could be sold at a significant premium, and the proceeds used to purchase a commoner die-marriage in higher grade.

Thanks James - for the support. What are you judging the JR-8 attribution on? Looking at the dime, I was thinking maybe JR-7, also and R5, because the i is slightly to the left of center below the T instead of directly below it. As I said - I'm not a dime guy, so any help is appreciated. 

I do do like this coin, but didn't think about the die marriage - thanks again.

Edited October 2, 2020 by Zebo
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[James_OldeTowne]

I finally got my dime book out and formally attributed it, rather than just relying on shorthand notes, and was wrong the first time around.  It's actually JR-9, which is only R.2.  Sorry about that!  

[Zebo]

55 minutes ago, James_OldeTowne said:

I finally got my dime book out and formally attributed it, rather than just relying on shorthand notes, and was wrong the first time around.  It's actually JR-9, which is only R.2.  Sorry about that!  

Rats - I was hoping that it was a JR-7.

what book did you pick up. I'm considering the one below:

[World Colonial]

On 10/1/2020 at 12:38 PM, Coinbuf said:

I'm not up on the nuances of bust dimes, there seems to be some corrosion and the fresh looking scratch on the rev (right wing as viewed) is of concern.  I am not sure about a straight grade but would not completely rule it out, I would do the research on it and then put it in my type set album and enjoy it.

Straight graded would require a really liberal definition of "market acceptable".  No coin I have collected would receive a numerical grade if it looked like the image.  I have had a lot better still come back as "details, surface hairlines" and the coins are much scarcer than this one.

[VKurtB]

I see a good honest mid-grade coin. Nothing so bad as to “details” it, and nice honest wear.

[James_OldeTowne]

Zebo, that is an excellent book for early dimes.  I do recommend it.

[Daniel Frishberg]

VF/F. Might be net graded for the dings and such.