Could this be a new discovery of a Roosevelt dime with a special matte finish ?!?!?!
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2 minutes ago, Quintus Arrius said:

I bask in the undeserving love and respect you shower me with VKurtB.

I guess there is a part of me that just wants to see the average Joe get a fair shake.

I have no enemies. I don't crave a following. You won't find me on social media.

As I have stated on a

prior occasion, I may not agree with everything everyone says, but I am constrained to defend, with my life, if necessary, everybody's right to express an opinion.

That, of course, includes you for whom I have a begrudging respect for as the very first person to try to cut me down to size on this Forum. On balance, Coinbuf's, simple "No," was far more devastating. I was forced to give up my job refereeing the RichieRich2020 super heavyweight world championship, from which there is no coming back.😉

 

Umm, hate to break it to you, but THIS is social media too.

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I could post a 1943 dime over a 1943 copper cent, and wouldn't get two replies. An amazing coin this one is, Twilight Zone stuff.  Stirred up a lot folks. 2020, I'll give you $20.20 for it. (tomorrow)

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I own a dime every bit as matte and luster-absent as the OP’s, but it has magnificent detail. It was graded by the old ANACS, the small slab guys, in about 1994, as an MS60FSB. No, it’s not some special “discovery coin”; it’s merely a curiosity. It’s a 1935 Mercury dime. 

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2 hours ago, Quintus Arrius said:
3 hours ago, VKurtB said:

Umm, hate to break it to you, but THIS is social media.

 

Fake News! I was hacked. All right, all right...  "I coulda been a contender!  I coulda had class!  I coulda been somebody!  Now I am a nobody!  I am nothing but a social media bum, thanks to V  Kurt  B."

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On 8/9/2020 at 7:42 AM, MarkFeld said:

I made “Wondercoin” aware of this thread and I have copied his comments below. He is an extremely active and knowledgeable dealer, particularly in the area of moderns.

Hi Mark.  Thank you for bringing to my attention this interesting modern coin thread.  First and foremost, it is wonderful to see the passion of the OP, “RichieRich2020”.  Whether he ultimately turns out to be “right” or “wrong”, it is still great to see all that passion for his dime.  And, second, it is equally wonderful to see all the experts and fellow collectors contributing their expertise to the OP.  This is what makes this hobby great and the NGC and PCGS message boards such an invaluable component to the coin collecting experience.

There are so many ultra-talented numismatists contributing to this thread (yourself included Mark) including Fred.  As we all know, Fred is one of the foremost authorities on United States errors, varieties and the coin striking processes at the Mint.

I see that Fred has determined the subject coin to be a regular business strike example and that after the dime was in circulation it somehow developed the “matte” surface appearance that the OP sees.  I believe Fred probably put the word “matte” in quotes  so as to not confuse what he was suggesting with someone thinking Fred determined the coin had, indeed, a different US Mint striking process applied to it when struck.  But, any confusion on that interpretation can easily be verified in a short follow up letter from Fred.

My strong expertise is in the valuation of United States modern coins (1932-date).  I recently testified on behalf of the United States Department of Justice in a federal case as a Court approved expert on modern coin valuation.  My extensive valuation report and live Court testimony led to a very decisive victory for the DOJ.  Obviously, before I would complete my evaluation of the fair market value of this dime, I would need to “pin down” what exactly we had here.  Fred’s analysis of the dime would be very important to my valuation analysis as would other opinions I would use to formulate my valuation opinion.

I see a diagnostic marker on the reverse of the coin left of the upper torch area directly below the flame.  I am wondering if this marker might be useful in finding another matching dime (with a similar marker) to perhaps help in concluding the origin of the subject dime?  Does anyone have any thoughts on that?

In conclusion, of course if I was the owner of this dime, I would not be satisfied to hear my dime was worth just ten cents.  I would want to devote much more time and energy to figure out exactly what happened with this coin either before or after the striking process.  I might be curious to see if I could find a matching dime of this date with the diagnostic marker(s) I discussed.  I would also be very thankful to be getting all this free support and assistance from so many talented numismatists on this message board.

Best of luck to the OP!”

 

Well i must admit that I am very impressed and very amazed at Mr Wondercoins well thought out reply . Especially with regards to the fact that he doesn't appear to be the least bit interested in picking sides on the coins finish . Which i must add is a big surprise since I kind of expected he would be given all the replies here . Infact to my astonishment he seems to only be focused solely on the TRUE QUESTION at hand here ...  Regarding the authenticity of the coin and the coins finish . Which is why I must give Me Wondercoins opinion the utmost respect .... As a matter of fact i have to say that this is the kind of collector and expert who I would love to learn more from among a few others and soak up as much coin collecting knowledge as I could one day because I don't sense that his Ego would ever be an issue while trying to reach a sound and solid conclusion about a particular coin ... I've enjoyed the way that he thoroughly assessed important details of the coin and so I think we all could stand to learn a little in that important regard ... But either way with all that being said . Although HE NEVER AGREED NOR TOTALLY DISAPPROVE OF THE COINS FINISH . I DID CLEARLY NOTICE THAT HE WAS VERY SURE TO POINT OUT THE MARKER ON THE COIN WHICH I PERSONALLY THINK IS A VERY SENSIBLE AND GOOD POINT TO LOOK INTO . And I would also like to thank Mr. Markfeld for sharing this wonderful and professional exchange between him and Mr Wondercoins ...it is truly appreciated .

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On 8/7/2020 at 4:24 AM, RichieRich2020 said:

Im still very curious as to what one might value such a unique coin ... Especially in the case that Im correct and it has a special unique finish which no other collector has ? 

I value it at ten cents.

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5 hours ago, VKurtB said:

I own a dime every bit as matte and luster-absent as the OP’s, but it has magnificent detail. It was graded by the old ANACS, the small slab guys, in about 1994, as an MS60FSB. No, it’s not some special “discovery coin”; it’s merely a curiosity. It’s a 1935 Mercury dime. 

Well Please feel free to share ... Because i would love to see what this Matte finish dime looks like .... hm:popcorn:

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I knew you wouldn't sell it so cheap, it has so much documented history. Thirty dollars, last offer.   Edit: How about a '55 doubled die and a 1951 Bowman #305 Willie Mays Rookie card.

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Well, there you have it. The OP; the party who made a suggestion; various parties (with a herd mentality) who, quick on the collective trigger, shot the perfectly good proposal down in cold blood; the referral itself; and notably one party who spat out, I don't want to hear anything more about "that dime." Then the good part: the party to whom the matter was referred -- amid a chorus of those who cried out, Don't waste his time like you wasted ours, graciously accepts, and the OP -- whom countless parties railed against and vilified as a troll who had already made up his own mind and would never accept a finding contrary to his own, surprises all other parties by humbly accepting news of the exchange which MF was not obligated to share. And through it all an intriguing aspect emerges: a "diagnostic marker," which one party, ME!, was quick to dismiss as nothing more than pigeon poop. This is merely an introduction; much work remains to be done. I do hope the OP follows through on the promising lead discovered. My best to all those who made this production possible. (I have to go now before someone realizes I broke my promise to remain off this thread.) 😉

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6 hours ago, RichieRich2020 said:

Well Please feel free to share ... Because i would love to see what this Matte finish dime looks like .... hm:popcorn:

I’ll dig it out tonight and slap it under the ol’ stereo microscope. The lesson here is just because something’s “different”, that doesn’t make it special or important. 
 

Seriously? You’re up at 2 something in the morning posting about this piece of junk you own?

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5 hours ago, Quintus Arrius said:

Well, there you have it. The OP; the party who made a suggestion; various parties (with a herd mentality) who, quick on the collective trigger, shot the perfectly good proposal down in cold blood; the referral itself; and notably one party who spat out, I don't want to hear anything more about "that dime." Then the good part: the party to whom the matter was referred -- amid a chorus of those who cried out, Don't waste his time like you wasted ours, graciously accepts, and the OP -- whom countless parties railed against and vilified as a troll who had already made up his own mind and would never accept a finding contrary to his own, surprises all other parties by humbly accepting news of the exchange which MF was not obligated to share. And through it all an intriguing aspect emerges: a "diagnostic marker," which one party, ME!, was quick to dismiss as nothing more than pigeon poop. This is merely an introduction; much work remains to be done. I do hope the OP follows through on the promising lead discovered. My best to all those who made this production possible. (I have to go now before someone realizes I broke my promise to remain off this thread.)

 

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😉No please don't go just yet ... Because i believe that your creative expressions and dialogue make the post extremely unique in my book . So without a impartial referee It would simply just be another boring post where the old wise ones attempt to overwhelm and out number the newcombers to deter them from second guessing or challenging their opinions . So we actually need you here man !!!

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4 hours ago, VKurtB said:

I’ll dig it out tonight and slap it under the ol’ stereo microscope. The lesson here is just because something’s “different”, that doesn’t make it special or important. 
 

Seriously? You’re up at 2 something in the morning posting about this piece of junk you own?

Yep well it might be junk to you but its treasure to me .... And I'm looking forward to seeing your Matte finish junk as well.  Lol

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1 minute ago, RichieRich2020 said:

Yep well it might be junk to you but its treasure to me .... And I'm looking forward to seeing your Matte finish junk as well.  Lol

I believe my trash hauler had a pearl of wisdom similar to that on his trucks. :insane:

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43 minutes ago, VKurtB said:

I believe my trash hauler had a pearl of wisdom similar to that on his trucks. :insane:

And I believe that my ALLEGED lack of wisdom may hopefully someday teach a few wise ones how not to be so quick to rule out a particular coin as eviormental damage without first giving it the real diagnostic and examination it requires inorder to reach a accurate opinion ... in otherwords the environmental damage theory has gotten so popular in coin circles that it appears that most coin experts and seasoned collectors no longer believe in examining each coin thorughly anymore for little things like DIE MAKERS which could be very HELPFUL  as the article below trys explains the IMPORTANTANCE of on a few other Dimes ironically ... :preach:

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My god, this has been going on for two and a half weeks. Somebody start a gofundme for the submission fees on the condition that the OP posts the slab and let's put this thing out of its misery.

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1 hour ago, kbbpll said:

My god, this has been going on for two and a half weeks. Somebody start a gofundme for the submission fees on the condition that the OP posts the slab and let's put this thing out of its misery.

Seems like someone don't appreciate the opinions of the other well respected Experts either you guys ..... SO LET'S GET HIM !!! :roflmao:

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59 minutes ago, RichieRich2020 said:

And I believe that my ALLEGED lack of wisdom may hopefully someday teach a few wise ones how not to be so quick to rule out a particular coin as eviormental damage without first giving it the real diagnostic and examination it requires inorder to reach a accurate opinion ... in otherwords the environmental damage theory has gotten so popular in coin circles that it appears that most coin experts and seasoned collectors no longer believe in examining each coin thorughly anymore for little things like DIE MAKERS which could be very HELPFUL  as the article below trys explains the IMPORTANTANCE of on a few other Dimes ironically ... :preach:

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I hope you’re aware that the author of this article has already weighed in here. 

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6 minutes ago, VKurtB said:

I hope you’re aware that the author of this article has already weighed in here. 

Well that's very odd . Especially considering the fact that NO ONE here ever bothered to mention to look for any die markers on the coin except for Mr Wondercoins of course .  Which kind of makes a person wonder ... why that is ???

You see . If you ask me I think that most people were more focused on attacking the OP and his irrelevant coin that they TOTALLY forgot to mention A WHOLE ARTICLE that explains all the important aspects it takes when authenticing a coin but then again maybe I'm just reading that part of HIS article wrong ... hm  .  :whistle:

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