Mc10139 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Hello again everyone. I've got another cent piece I got at the estate sale I'm getting around to posting. This cent looks amazing, was in a 2x2 that had typed "Gem BU" on it. I dont know what cleaned coins look like so if anyone could chime in and let me know if this is worth grading ide be appreciative! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mc10139 Posted September 19, 2019 Author Share Posted September 19, 2019 More pics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mc10139 Posted September 19, 2019 Author Share Posted September 19, 2019 I know they had a copper version and I think a brass version of this cent piece. Are the areas that look like streaks just the way the metal cooled? The reason I dont think it's been cleaned is because the streaks are inside the devices and on the fields but not on the devices. If someone cleaned it wouldn't the streaks be consistent and on the whole surface? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crawtomatic Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Yeah, doesn't look cleaned to me based on the pics. When the streaks you're talking about are in a sunburst fashion seen in the fields it's generally the metal flow lines. Let me just say, a crisp Jefferson with sweet metal flow lines gets me all hot and bothered errrytime. Overall, looks like a good coin to me. Indian Heads isn't a series I've gotten into personally but son likes them so I've seen my fair share. Mc10139 and Marquez-Collector 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Bob Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 My first reaction was that it has been whizzed (burnished with a wire brush), or polished by a high speed buffer. The surfaces look unnatural. Mc10139 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 I agree with @Just Bob. That pitting I see troubles me. I collect high end Indian cents and if anything, the IHC series is known for its immaculate fields. Mc10139 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mc10139 Posted September 20, 2019 Author Share Posted September 20, 2019 Below are shots of the highest graded ngc and highest record auction coin. They look pretty close to me, but I'm not an expert. Are the flow lines and "pitting" common in this series? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Mc10139 said: but I'm not an expert True, especially if you really think yours and this one are close in quality. For starters, your does appear to be doctored. Second, sometimes even NGC and PCGS get things wrong and Heritage bidders get "skun". Third, if you're really trying to make judgments off of cell phone pictures, man, you are so screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mc10139 Posted September 20, 2019 Author Share Posted September 20, 2019 (edited) Cool. Let me set up my professional coin photography set and I'll post the actual pictures. And yes, they are screenshots from my cell phone because there is a size limit to uploads. My camera and eben my phone takes pics that the size is almost double the size limit allowed. But hold on a few..... ill get set up. And by pretty close I clearly ment the finish.... as the conversation was about the finish and not the grade. Edited September 20, 2019 by Mc10139 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKurtB Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Mc10139 said: Cool. Let me set up my professional coin photography set and I'll post the actual pictures. And yes, they are screenshots from my cell phone because there is a size limit to uploads. My camera and eben my phone takes pics that the size is almost double the size limit allowed. But hold on a few..... ill get set up. And by pretty close I clearly ment the finish.... as the conversation was about the finish and not the grade. So then you’re trying to tell me you don’t see the obvious wear on yours??? The indian’s cheek, the letters in ONE and CENT, the bow, the leaves? You’ve got a doctored AU coin if anything. Oh, BTW, I agree with you about the picture limits. That’s what makes doing any analysis on here a problem from the get-go. In person, in the hand, under the correct light, with motion against said light. There’s a valid reason nobody in the business offers opinions from pictures. Do you send emails to NGC for grading? Edited September 20, 2019 by VKurtB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conder101 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 The surfaces/color looks unnatural, but I don't trust images, especially computer images. The dimpled/pitted surfaces are from excessive die wear. I don't believe the coin is uncirculated, I do see areas of wear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
