VAM Question 1889 Doubled Ear, pitted reverse, close/far date, closed 9? 0

[Charles20]

I can't figure it out... I know it's something but not sure which one...

[Charles20]

[Charles20]

[Charles20]

[Mokiechan]

Check here:

 

http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/wiki/1881-P_VAMs

[stash-1]

8 hours ago, Charles Hicks said:

I can't figure it out... I know it's something but not sure which one...

I can . It's vam #61 .

http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/wiki/1889-P_VAM-61

[jgrinz]

2 hours ago, stash-1 said:

I can . It's vam #61 .

http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/wiki/1889-P_VAM-61

Not sure about that sir

Lighting is impossible to tell if the double ear is there 

The neck marker for die clash is not there 

Picture is not close enough to see open or closed 9

Definitely Far date almost very far date

Impossible to see die markers in liberty

 

[jgrinz]

3 hours ago, Mokiechan said:

Check here:

 

http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/wiki/1881-P_VAMs

Why you looking at a 1881p :-)  

[Mokiechan]

Just now, jgrinz said:

Why you looking at a 1881p :-)  

Oh Yeah, sorry dyxlexia.  But you can find the 1889 VAMS at the same location.

[stash-1]

1 hour ago, jgrinz said:

Not sure about that sir

Lighting is impossible to tell if the double ear is there 

The neck marker for die clash is not there 

Picture is not close enough to see open or closed 9

Definitely Far date almost very far date

Impossible to see die markers in liberty

 

I guess it could be it's evil mimic #39 . Need better images to tell for sure . But I think with the die erosion on both the obverse & reverse of the dies . It more like #61 ....

http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/wiki/1889-P_VAM-61

Edited May 9, 2019 by stash-1
Added more to post

[jgrinz]

1 hour ago, Mokiechan said:

Oh Yeah, sorry dyxlexia.  But you can find the 1889 VAMS at the same location.

Yep I am a member

 

[stash-1]

Mr. Hicks . Why would you post a coin and not come back to the thread, to follow up on the answers ?

[Charles20]

2 minutes ago, stash-1 said:

Mr. Hicks . Why would you post a coin and not come back to the thread, to follow up on the answers ?

I'm checking in on it from time to time. I appreciate all the feedback. I read the responses but can't respond at the time I read them and then I forget that I didn't respond.

[jgrinz]

8 hours ago, Charles Hicks said:

I'm checking in on it from time to time. I appreciate all the feedback. I read the responses but can't respond at the time I read them and then I forget that I didn't respond.

Dont sweat it Chuck … I actually wanted to come back to this to actually to find its real VAM from the photographs provided.

I will come back a little later to give you my thoughts - 

 

 

[Charles20]

32 minutes ago, jgrinz said:

Dont sweat it Chuck … I actually wanted to come back to this to actually to find its real VAM from the photographs provided.

I will come back a little later to give you my thoughts - 

 

 

Let me know if you f I can take some better pictures and get better angels I'll do me best

[jgrinz]

9 hours ago, Charles Hicks said:

I'm checking in on it from time to time. I appreciate all the feedback. I read the responses but can't respond at the time I read them and then I forget that I didn't respond.

Okay from what I see 

Your full front picture does show a Double ear both inside and outside

Your date is a far date 

Your date is a high closed 9

What you think is pits are actual normal under this high of a magnification - There is some signs

of a sunk in die 

I do not see any obvious sings of a clash from your pictures - but in my defense they are not the best  :-)

We have no way with your pictures of seeing any die markers that would help identify this VAM. 

I will give you my best guess.

VAM-39   Looks to fit.

If you want to go to this page and try to get pictures like the ones shown we can tell better ..

http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/wiki/1889-P_VAM-39

That being said the coin has some obvious damage to it - the gouges in front of the ear and some sort of oxidization, acid burn or plain old environmental damage  

I have a similar coin which I will post pictures of it under its own heading … so you can compare ...

Thanks for sharing 

j

[jgrinz]

One other thing it looks like you are using a phone.

Put the phone settings for the camera on manual and set the manual focus on full closeup.

Then move the camera/phone until the picture is in focus

Use good lighting

example of result

 

 

[Charles20]

2 minutes ago, jgrinz said:

One other thing it looks like you are using a phone.

Put the phone settings for the camera on manual and set the manual focus on full closeup.

Then move the camera/phone until the picture is in focus

Use good lighting

example of result

 

 

Got it

[Charles20]

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[Charles20]

I think this is doubling on the inside portion of the nine?

[Charles20]

[jgrinz]

7 hours ago, Charles Hicks said:

I think this is doubling on the inside portion of the nine?

 

This is a lighting anomaly as the previous picture which is more straight on, the doubling is not there ..

[jgrinz]

8 hours ago, Charles Hicks said:

This is the picture I am talking about - no doubling but does show a did clash at the chin neck area.

also shows the sinking die marks ..more information which is good 

 

[jgrinz]

Looks like a LDS VAM-32/41 with sinking dies at least on the obverse.

Best I can do with these pictures 

Been fun take care

 

[Charles20]

5 hours ago, jgrinz said:

Looks like a LDS VAM-32/41 with sinking dies at least on the obverse.

Best I can do with these pictures 

Been fun take care

 

Thank you guys so much!!!! I just found a whole different world in collecting

[jgrinz]

2 hours ago, Charles Hicks said:

Thank you guys so much!!!! I just found a whole different world in collecting

You will find with out the right equipment it is a little fatiguing 

I wont even look at 1921 VAMS as there are literally 100 vams -