j cantwell Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Recently purchased a 1723 Hibernia 1/2 cent, However it has the type 1 reverse. Harp on left. Coin weighs 110 gr & measures over 27 mm in diameter. Find this reverse only on the farthing & and the 1722 1/2 cent. I cannot find coin listed after hours of research on line. Any help appreciated. Jim... Link to post Share on other sites
physics-fan3.14 Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 It will be a bit easier if you show us a picture of what you've got. There are some very knowledgeable people here. Link to post Share on other sites
j cantwell Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 Don't know how to attach photos on this site. Be glad to if I can get some guidance. It's a standard Hibernia 1723 1/2 cent with the reverse of the 1722. Pictures of both are readily available on any of the Colonial Coin sites. Regards Jim... Link to post Share on other sites
BruceS Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Don't be discouraged JC, this place is a ghost town as of late. To attach a picture you can drag and drop into the text box or just click the "choose files" link bottom of box and then choose the picture you want to upload. Good luck. Link to post Share on other sites
j cantwell Posted August 31, 2017 Author Share Posted August 31, 2017 Thanks Bruce, I'll take a few pix and try to post. Regards, Jim... Link to post Share on other sites
physics-fan3.14 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 (edited) Removed my post. Edited August 31, 2017 by physics-fan3.14 Link to post Share on other sites
jwc Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 I have a similar coin. Reverse might be different. Link to post Share on other sites
j cantwell Posted September 1, 2017 Author Share Posted September 1, 2017 Thanks JWC. That's my coin but the harp is to the left of the figure instead of the right. The 1722 reverse. Jim... Link to post Share on other sites
j cantwell Posted September 1, 2017 Author Share Posted September 1, 2017 will try to post pix. Well it worked just fine. Thanks. Jim... Link to post Share on other sites
jwc Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 very nice Link to post Share on other sites
j cantwell Posted September 1, 2017 Author Share Posted September 1, 2017 (edited) Edited September 3, 2017 by j cantwell Got instruction on posting picture.. Link to post Share on other sites
A.Phillips Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 That's quite interesting coin. But the color on both sides are different which it lead me to suspecting of something. Also I did looked closer at that date "1723" and it doesn't looking right neither because 1) I usually see the thick "bubble" on the tail of "7" on many half pennies, but it doesn't show that much on this one. 2) The "2" looking like filled on its tail instead of separate line. I am not 100% sure, but I did copied your pictures and sent to one guy, who have more knowledge with Hibernia coins, on an email. I will let you know by then. Link to post Share on other sites
j cantwell Posted September 2, 2017 Author Share Posted September 2, 2017 Thanks A.Phillips for your input. The color on both sides of the actual coin is the same. I took the two separate photos at night, using the flash on my camera, then ran them through photoshop to 1. sharpen the focus, 2. let the program adjust the contrast, & 3. size the photo for intended use. As to the tail on the "7"and "2", they is what they is. I'll be interested in your friends comments. Thanks again. Jim... Link to post Share on other sites
A.Phillips Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 19 hours ago, j cantwell said: Thanks A.Phillips for your input. The color on both sides of the actual coin is the same. I took the two separate photos at night, using the flash on my camera, then ran them through photoshop to 1. sharpen the focus, 2. let the program adjust the contrast, & 3. size the photo for intended use. As to the tail on the "7"and "2", they is what they is. I'll be interested in your friends comments. Thanks again. Jim... I got an email from James today, he said: Hi Alan, It looks like a contemporary forgery due to the evidence of wear. - I have not seen a Type I Woods Halfpenny dated 1723 - only 1722. - it is too early (and too good a copy) to be a evasion halfpenny Its not a particularly valuable or rare coin, so it is "unlikely" that it is a modern forgery designed to deceive collectors. However, if it "IS GENUINE" you've got a great find. - have you shown it to anyone at DNW ? - their email is auctions@dnw.co.uk This is a link to my article on the Woods' patent halfpennies and farthings, if that helps.https://oldcurrencyexchange.com/2015/03/05/william-woods-irish-coinage-1722-1724-for-george-i/ Best regards, James Perhaps you can try to contact with someone at DNW (Dix Noonan Webb)? Link to post Share on other sites
j cantwell Posted September 3, 2017 Author Share Posted September 3, 2017 Alan, Thanks for your help. I'll take James's advice and contact dnw for their input. Will also probably send to NGC or PCGS for slabbing. Quite a article he wrote on the Wood's tokens.. Very impressive. By the way I live right up the coast from you in Bradenton. Regards, Jim... Link to post Share on other sites
coinman1794 Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 (edited) This does seem, to me, to be some type of counterfeit, whether evasion copper or modern forgery. Edited September 7, 2017 by coinman1794 Link to post Share on other sites
wdrob Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 On 8/31/2017 at 7:29 PM, jwc said: I have a similar coin. Reverse might be different. One of my early photos back when I used to be into coin photography. Is that coin in a holder? If so what kind and what grade. Link to post Share on other sites
j cantwell Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 wdrob. Sorry for missing your question. No it's raw as they say today. My photos were sent to dnw, who have asked to see the coin. Their thoughts, from the photos, was that is was probably not an evasion nor a modern forgery, but perhaps a contemporary production. I live on the west coast of FL, hurricane area, so have not posted the coin to them, as yet. I will soon and will post their comments here. Jim... Link to post Share on other sites
j cantwell Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 coinman1794. Please see my response to wdrob above. Thanks for your interest. Jim... Link to post Share on other sites
j cantwell Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 wdrob. Sorry for forgetting to thank you for your interest & recognizing your photographic skills. Great photo. Regards,Jim... Link to post Share on other sites
jwc Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 18 hours ago, wdrob said: One of my early photos back when I used to be into coin photography. Is that coin in a holder? If so what kind and what grade. yes this is the coin I bought from you wdrob awhile back. I did send it to NGC to grade and it came back as MS63 Link to post Share on other sites
wdrob Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) That is great to hear. It was in a MS61 holder at NGC at one point in time (I think it was that coin) but I never sent it in to get a second chance .... Better not let that thing out of that MS63 holder as I would not expect it to do much better than that. Great to have seen the coin again. Still a very nice example in my opinion. Edited September 8, 2017 by wdrob Link to post Share on other sites
jwc Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 5 hours ago, wdrob said: That is great to hear. It was in a MS61 holder at NGC at one point in time (I think it was that coin) but I never sent it in to get a second chance .... Better not let that thing out of that MS63 holder as I would not expect it to do much better than that. Great to have seen the coin again. Still a very nice example in my opinion. yes it is. One of my oldest and nicest coins. Link to post Share on other sites
j cantwell Posted November 23, 2017 Author Share Posted November 23, 2017 Sorry for delay in advising status of this coin. DRW experts advised this is known modern counterfeit. Produced in the 1960's. Oh well... JFC Link to post Share on other sites
