farthing 268 posts Report post Posted July 2, 2018 (edited) To keep this thread from being completely dead and buried here are some more pictures of my tokens taken by JKCoins. Gloucestershire Gloucester DH 1 from Gary Sriro Added: NGC graded this 62BN Gloucestershire Gloucester DH 11 from Bill McKivor Added: NGC graded this 63BN Edited September 13, 2018 by farthing Added Grades 3 mark, World_Coin_Nut and AcesKings reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
farthing 268 posts Report post Posted July 2, 2018 (edited) Hampshire Gosport DH 2, from Bill McKivor, ex. Robbie Brown Added: NGC graded this 62BN Lancashire Lancaster DH 58, from Colin Cooke Added: NGC graded this 65RB Edited September 13, 2018 by farthing Added Grades 3 mark, World_Coin_Nut and AcesKings reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
World_Coin_Nut 129 posts Report post Posted July 2, 2018 Although technically not a Conder token I collect the later tokens along with the Conder tokens. Just picked this one up. It arrived from across the pond last week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yarm 709 posts Report post Posted July 3, 2018 Birmingham workhouse half crown 6 AcesKings, mark, rrantique and 3 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
farthing 268 posts Report post Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) A few more pictures from JKCoins Middlesex Globe Series DH 139 from eBay, ex: Spink auction 4/85 ex: Wayne Anderson Added: NGC graded this 64RB Middlesex Kempson's Buildings and Gates Series DH 67 from Coin Kingdom Added: NGC graded this 63BN Middlesex Kempson's Buildings and Gates Series DH 83 from DNW auction 6/2017 Added: NGC graded this 64BN Middlesex National Series DH 201 from Jerry Bobbe ex: R. C. Bell plate coin Added: NGC graded this 63 Edited September 13, 2018 by farthing Added Grades 4 coinsarefun, AcesKings, World_Coin_Nut and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coinsarefun 1,044 posts Report post Posted August 10, 2018 (edited) Picked up a few new ones on my list. Ill post the Middlesex 41 in a little while Middlesex 226 Edited August 10, 2018 by coinsarefun 6 rrantique, AcesKings, farthing and 3 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coinsarefun 1,044 posts Report post Posted August 10, 2018 Middlesex 41 Very thick Penny size token. 4 farthing, rrantique, mark and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LINCOLNMAN 494 posts Report post Posted August 10, 2018 I've not seen many of these tokens, other than the ones collected in the US as "colonials". Fascinating. I'm guessing that these are collected by county and/or theme? Very nice Coinsarefun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
farthing 268 posts Report post Posted August 10, 2018 4 hours ago, LINCOLNMAN said: I've not seen many of these tokens, other than the ones collected in the US as "colonials". Fascinating. I'm guessing that these are collected by county and/or theme? Very nice Coinsarefun. There are many ways to collect these, especially as it is impossible to collect one of each and there are several thousand varieties (not even counting all the edge varieties). As you said, some focus on a single county, some collect only the Genuine Trade Tokens (GTTs), others focus on the political tokens of Spence or the animal tokens of Pidcock's. Not surprisingly I have a special fondness for the farthing tokens. Some are focused on collecting as broad a range of tokens, while others focus on collecting only the very best, and rarest examples. There is such a variety of themes and designs that each collector can build the collection best suited to their interests. 1 coinsarefun reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coinsarefun 1,044 posts Report post Posted August 10, 2018 3 hours ago, farthing said: There are many ways to collect these, especially as it is impossible to collect one of each and there are several thousand varieties (not even counting all the edge varieties). As you said, some focus on a single county, some collect only the Genuine Trade Tokens (GTTs), others focus on the political tokens of Spence or the animal tokens of Pidcock's. Not surprisingly I have a special fondness for the farthing tokens. Some are focused on collecting as broad a range of tokens, while others focus on collecting only the very best, and rarest examples. There is such a variety of themes and designs that each collector can build the collection best suited to their interests. Extremely well said farthing! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
farthing 268 posts Report post Posted September 13, 2018 Last 3 tokens from my most recent batch submitted to NGC. Pictures by JKCoins Somersetshire Bath DH 4 from Bill McKivor NGC Graded this 64BN Warwickshire Stratford DH 320a from eBay NGC Graded this 64RB Warwickshire Stratford DH 325 from eBay (same seller as the previous) NGC Graded this 61BN 3 AcesKings, mark and coinsarefun reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LINCOLNMAN 494 posts Report post Posted September 13, 2018 Pandora's Breeches? You don't say? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yarm 709 posts Report post Posted September 26, 2018 Middlesex 1150 by Westwood. 3 farthing, mark and coinsarefun reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yarm 709 posts Report post Posted January 25, 2019 It's taken quite a few years to acquire a nice example of the Johnson token from the Johnson/Perrins bout of 1789. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LINCOLNMAN 494 posts Report post Posted January 25, 2019 Looked up the bout referenced above. An hour of bare-knuckle heavyweight boxing. Brutal. A bit of an Ali/Liston match but without the quick resolution(s). Good history, thanks for posting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MIKE BYRNE 285 posts Report post Posted February 21, 2019 Hi Mike I'm new here but I have been active with the ANA. I have posted my tokens. Conder. A complete set of P Kempson Coventry set. All 19 in MS condition. I just started a set posting other Conder tokens I put up twelve but will be adding to it . I don't believe in slabs or grades but a complete Coventry set has to be protected. It took five years of people.looking in auction houses all over England and the U.S. Hundreds of sites in the U.S. And two years to find one to complete it. Now that's with people checking shows. The big sellers all keeping there eyes out. Nothing. Finally in England found one. Maybe two. And two years for one . The auctioneer said he had not seen any in ten years . All my Conder tokens are protected there graded but I can't stop that the entire set is MS 63 to 65 Red brown and a Proof like. Can't find another set. Even have Handel reverses. So if you have time take a peek. Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yarm 709 posts Report post Posted February 22, 2019 Anglesey 419, a Skidmore token mule. It's a halfpenny token with the reverse struck with a penny die. 1 rrantique reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
farthing 268 posts Report post Posted July 18, 2019 Grades were just posted by NGC on my latest batch of tokens. All photos by JKCoins Middlesex Kempson Buildings and Gates DH 48 from eBay Graded 65BN Warwickshire Stratford DH 484 from Alan Davisson Auction, ex Bill McKivor Graded 65RB 2 coinsandmedals and Yarm reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
farthing 268 posts Report post Posted July 18, 2019 (edited) I also submitted 5 Spence tokens that have amazing surfaces Middlesex Spence DH 691 from Alan Davisson, ex. Cokayne Graded 66RB Middlesex Spence DH 707 ex. Alan Davisson Auction Graded 65BN Middlesex Spence DH 708 ex. Alan Davisson Auction Graded 65BN Middlesex Spence DH 713 ex. Alan Davisson Auction Graded 64BN Middlesex Spence DH 776 ex. Alan Davisson Auction (all 4 from the same auction) Graded 65RB Edited August 22, 2019 by farthing fixed typo 2 coinsandmedals and Yarm reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
farthing 268 posts Report post Posted August 9, 2019 Just had grades posted for the second half of my submission. Below are 5 of the 9 tokens. All photos by JKCoins. Buckinghamshire Slough DH 22 from a 2009 Stacks auction. These were actually minted in the late 1830's but were included in the series. Graded 65BN Gloucestershire Gloucester DH 9 from Bill McKivor Graded 64BN Kent Hawkhurst DH 30 from eBay Graded 65RB Middlesex Bayly's DH 253 from Gatewest Coins Graded 64BN Warwickshire Coventry DH 271 from Jerry Bobbe Graded 66BN Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Just Bob 4,798 posts Report post Posted August 10, 2019 Those are some gorgeous pieces. Was it intentional or coincidence that four of the five have shields on the obverse (date) side? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MIKE BYRNE 285 posts Report post Posted August 10, 2019 On 1/24/2011 at 9:44 PM, Hard Times said: Hey everyone, there does not seem to be a thread completely dedicated to Conder images. Or if there is, its been a long time since posting on it. How about if we have one? I'll start with one of my favorite farthings: Please post yours, let's see how far we can go Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MIKE BYRNE 285 posts Report post Posted August 10, 2019 On 1/25/2011 at 5:28 PM, Hard Times said: Stunning Yarm, lets see more examples folks......... Hi Mike here. I just posted my complete set of Kempsons complete Coventry set of 19 tokens all in MS. Some were RB brown some P.l.I'm not here to outdo anyone.it took five years and I didn't post them in competitive sets . I put the in non competitive sets. I started posting in the end of February to march. After qI posted some beautiful tokens all won at English auctions.NGC was impressed with the Coventry set they put my name on the label. I never knew of your set . I just signed up on the Registry Site when in-store the introduction and posted my st. Many believe it's the only complete constructs around. Oh forgot the Handel reverse. Then set of random tokens go from MS 63 to MS 66 with I think a couple of A/U.maybe two. I'm not here to outdo anyine. I just collect conders. Finding bb in skating but these were done by one of the master die sinkers and designers and manufactures. Peter Kempson. His work has been called art in coooer. Take a look I hope you enjoy them as I did yiurs. Thanks Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
farthing 268 posts Report post Posted August 11, 2019 (edited) 20 hours ago, Just Bob said: Those are some gorgeous pieces. Was it intentional or coincidence that four of the five have shields on the obverse (date) side? Just a coincidence, shields are used as a design on many of the tokens in the series - heraldic iconography is quite extensively documented in England with definitions for every part of a shield, arms, supporters, etc. For some, if there was not a recognized heraldic definition for their family a shield image was made up! The description of the heraldic imagery on the Coventry token would be "The Arms of the City of Coventry: Per pale gules and vert, an elephant, on his back a tower triple-towered, all or. Crest: A leopard passant proper (on the token the tinctures of the elephant and the tower are shown as argent). " Edited August 11, 2019 by farthing Added Coventry description Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
farthing 268 posts Report post Posted August 11, 2019 (edited) Last set of 4 tokens from this batch. All images by JKCoins. Warwickshire Birmingham DH 170 in white metal from eBay Graded MS 63 Invernesshire Inverness DH 1a from Baldwin's St. James auction Graded 65RB Invernessshire Inverness DH 3a from same auction lot as previous Graded 66RB Invernessshire Inverness DH 4 from same auction lot as previous. The token has excess metal along edge - not damage Graded 64BN There were 2 additional Invernesshire tokens in the lot, both of which are MS. Edited August 22, 2019 by farthing fixed typo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
farthing 268 posts Report post Posted December 6, 2019 Just receive my grades for a Crossover submission. All pictures are by NGC using their Photo Vision service. I am quite happy with the photos. Middlesex National Series DH 183 in White Metal from a Heritage auction. PCGS grade 62, NGC grade 61 PL - only one graded by NGC Middlesex Political & Social Series DH 216 from a Davisson auction. PCGS 64BN, NGC 63BN The token has more of a milk chocolate appearance. Middlesex Burchell's DH 274 Bis in White Metal from a Heritage auction. PCGS 63, NGC 63 - only one graded by NGC Middlesex Ching's DH 282 from a Davisson auction. PCGS 64BN, NGC 65BN Middlesex Spence DH 804c from a Davisson auction. PCGS 62BN, NGC 62BN Middlesex Stinton's DH 904 from a Davisson auction. PCGS 64BN, NGC 64BN Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
doctortom 1 post Report post Posted December 6, 2019 I have two very common and worn Conder tokens that have been countermarked. Both have a Roman numeral 1 to the left of the bust and a capital C to the right. I take it they were used by someone, somewhere as one cent pieces. Does anyone know more about them? Thanks in advance for your help. Tom Pesacreta Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zebo 827 posts Report post Posted December 6, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, doctortom said: I have two very common and worn Conder tokens that have been countermarked. Both have a Roman numeral 1 to the left of the bust and a capital C to the right. I take it they were used by someone, somewhere as one cent pieces. Does anyone know more about them? Thanks in advance for your help. Tom Pesacreta So - did the Welsh, in 1795, predict the outcome of the Guinness Harp trade mark dispute in 1922? The harp, which serves as the Guinness emblem, is based on a famous 14th century Irish harp known as the "O'Neill" or "Brian Boru" harp which is now preserved in the Library of Trinity College Dublin. The harp device has been synonymous with Guinness since 1862 when it was used as a symbol on the first bottle label for GUINNESS®. It was registered as a Guinness company trademark in 1876. It is because of the harp trademark that Guinness named its first lager 'Harp' in 1960. 1862 harp current harp The harp is one of three elements that make up the GUINNESS® livery. The other two elements are the GUINNESS® word and Arthur Guinness's famous signature. There have been a number of changes to the design of the harp device over the years including a reduction in the number of strings shown. The current harp was introduced in 2005 when a new brand livery was launched. The harp is also the official national emblem of the Republic of Ireland and can be found on the Republic's coinage. However, there is a difference between the Irish government harp and the Guinness harp. As Guinness had trademarked the harp symbol in 1876, the Irish Free State Government of 1922, had to turn the official government harp the other way to differentiate between the trademarked Guinness harp and the official State emblem. The distinguishing feature between the two harps is that the Guinness Harp always appears with its straight edge (the sound board) to the left, and the government harp is always shown with its straight edge to the right. Edited December 6, 2019 by Zebo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
farthing 268 posts Report post Posted December 9, 2019 Neither of the host tokens are listed in my reference with the I C countermark. The countermarks are likely the initials I and C as they have serifs. Also, if the countermark was to give the token a new value the countermark would have been 1 D (denarius). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yarm 709 posts Report post Posted January 25 Middlesex 181 with gilt edge. Looks silver but likely Barton's metal (otherwise why gild the edge?) 1 coinsarefun reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
