Week # 416 - Happy Saint Pattys Day!!!!

[Moon]

QUESTION:

 

Where did the phrase “To pay through the nose” originate?

 

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[dan8402]

There are several competing folk derivations of this phrase, but they are regarded by philology as somewhat far-fetched.

 

One derivation holds that it is a reference to the Danish poll tax on the Irish in the ninth century. The story goes that the Danes slit the noses of non-payers. However, the phrase did not appear in print until 1672.

 

Another possible explanation is placed on Viking raiders. Vikings required the payment of tribute from cities they did not raid. If the king refused to pay tribute, they would slit their noses. Hence, the king paid "through" the nose.

 

Another explanation relies on the use of rhino as a slang for money. Rhinos is the Greek word for nose, thus a rather loose connection is supposed to be set up between paying and noses. A nosebleed is a metaphor for being "bled dry" of money.

 

In sixteenth-century English, Italian, Greek and Latin, however, there is a well-established expression, "to lead by the nose," which means to force or control someone's actions, as a farmer would lead a bull by a ring through its nose.

 

It also has connotations of making a fool of someone. ('led by the nose, as asses are' (Othello, Act I, Sc 3). Thus, to pay through the nose could have originated as an extension of this, denoting payment for something at a premium because of a lack of alternative options.

[Schatzy]

According to the History channel the term derived from the Vikings in the 9th century, they put a tax on the Irish, the Irish paid the Vikings to not raid their towns. If they did not pay the taxes the Vikings would slit the noses as a punishment and warning.

[AtlaZ-migration]

Maybe England.

[L1ncolnF4n]

England 17th Century.

 

Derived from the 16th century phrase "to lead by the nose" as in a bull led by the nose, forcing control on actions.

[AB]

There are several competing folk derivations of this phrase, but they are regarded by philology as somewhat far-fetched.

 

One derivation holds that it is a reference to the Danish poll tax on the Irish in the ninth century. The story goes that the Danes slit the noses of non-payers. However, the phrase did not appear in print until 1672.

 

Another possible explanation is placed on Viking raiders. Vikings required the payment of tribute from cities they did not raid. If the king refused to pay tribute, they would slit their noses. Hence, the king paid "through" the nose.

 

Another explanation relies on the use of rhino as a slang for money. Rhinos is the Greek word for nose, thus a rather loose connection is supposed to be set up between paying and noses. A nosebleed is a metaphor for being "bled dry" of money.

 

In sixteenth-century English, Italian, Greek and Latin, however, there is a well-established expression, "to lead by the nose," which means to force or control someone's actions, as a farmer would lead a bull by a ring through its nose.

 

It also has connotations of making a fool of someone. ('led by the nose, as asses are' (Othello, Act I, Sc 3). Thus, to pay through the nose could have originated as an extension of this, denoting payment for something at a premium because of a lack of alternative options.

 

 

[ritter]

the danish nose tax,imposed in ireland in the 9th century,whereby delinquent taxpayers were punished by having their noses slit.

[gottahaveit-migration]

It is a reference to the Danish poll tax on the Irish in the ninth century. The story goes that the Danes slit the noses of non-payers. However, the phrase did not appear in print until 1672.

 

Another explanation is placed on Viking raiders. Vikings required the payment of tribute from cities they did not raid. If the king refused to pay tribute, they would slit their noses. Hence, the king paid "through" the nose.

 

 

[Hard Times]

It is a reference to the Danish poll tax they inflicted on Irish in the 9th century. If one did not pay the tax, one got their nose slit!!! Ouza

[walt666-migration]

Possibly it alludes to the Danish nose tax, imposed in Ireland in the 9th century, whereby delinquent taxpayers were punished by having their noses slit.

 

Walt

[bsshog40]

To pay through the nose, meaning "to pay a fancy price for a thing," "to pay more than it's worth" or "to get stung," is of uncertain origin. The earliest known English use of the phrase is dated 1672. There's a legend that in the 9th Century the Danes imposed a head tax in Ireland resembling the poll tax. It was called the "nose tax" because those who neglected to pay it were punished by having their nose slit. Paying through the nose may have been a reference to this penalty. While some authorities suppose the phrase was originally a facetious allusion to "nose bleeding" and "being bled for money," others trace its origins to the similarity of rhino, an old slang term for money, to the Greek rhinos ("nose").

[BigBob]

There are several different explainations as to the origin of the phrase "Pay through the nose". This one goes back to the 9th century.

 

Danes levied a tax, called the nose tax, on the Irish in the 9th century, and anyone who failed to pay it was punished by having his nose slit.

 

 

[MunkyMan95]

There are several competing folk derivations of this phrase, but they are regarded by philology as somewhat far-fetched.

 

One derivation holds that it is a reference to the Danish poll tax on the Irish in the ninth century. The story goes that the Danes slit the noses of non-payers. However, the phrase did not appear in print until 1672.

 

Another possible explanation is placed on Viking raiders. Vikings required the payment of tribute from cities they did not raid. If the king refused to pay tribute, they would slit their noses. Hence, the king paid "through" the nose.

 

Another explanation relies on the use of rhino as a slang for money. Rhinos is the Greek word for nose, thus a rather loose connection is supposed to be set up between paying and noses. A nosebleed is a metaphor for being "bled dry" of money.

 

In sixteenth-century English, Italian, Greek and Latin, however, there is a well-established expression, "to lead by the nose," which means to force or control someone's actions, as a farmer would lead a bull by a ring through its nose.

[Bugmann1974]

The origin of the phrase is unknown but the most popular explanation is...

 

Back in the 9th century after the Danish invaded Britain they levied heavy taxes on the Irish that were known as the "nose tax". Failure to pay this tax resulted in ones nose getting split open.

[mhardin2413]

There are several competing folk derivations of this phrase, but they are regarded by philology as somewhat far-fetched.

 

One derivation holds that it is a reference to the Danish poll tax on the Irish in the ninth century. The story goes that the Danes slit the noses of non-payers. However, the phrase did not appear in print until 1672.

 

Another possible explanation is placed on Viking raiders. Vikings required the payment of tribute from cities they did not raid. If the king refused to pay tribute, they would slit their noses. Hence, the king paid "through" the nose.

 

Another explanation relies on the use of rhino as a slang for money. Rhinos is the Greek word for nose, thus a rather loose connection is supposed to be set up between paying and noses. A nosebleed is a metaphor for being "bled dry" of money.

 

In sixteenth-century English, Italian, Greek and Latin, however, there is a well-established expression, "to lead by the nose," which means to force or control someone's actions, as a farmer would lead a bull by a ring through its nose.

 

[JIM F.]

According to the History channel the term derived from the Vikings in the 9nth century, they put a tax on the Irish, the Irish paid the Vikings to not raid their towns. If they did not pay the taxes the Vikings would slit the noses as a punishment and warning.

[Amarillo]

HI Amanda, To pay through the nose originated in English, To "pay through the nose", a very high price for the item. Also the one origination is a refereance to the daish poll tax on the Irish. (A lot of phrase and origination), all different origination a lot of them. Don

[cpm9ball]

In 9th Century Ireland, delinquent taxpayers were punished by having their noses slit.

 

Chris

[GW]

800 - 900 AD: The Nose

The phrase "To pay through the nose" comes from Danes in Ireland, who slit the noses of those who were remiss in paying the Danish poll tax.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/moolah/history.html

 

 

[rons]

here are three possible origins

One derivation holds that it is a reference to the Danish poll tax on the Irish in the ninth century. The story goes that the Danes slit the noses of non-payers. However, the phrase did not appear in print until 1672.

 

Another possible explanation is placed on Viking raiders. Vikings required the payment of tribute from cities they did not raid. If the king refused to pay tribute, they would slit their noses. Hence, the king paid "through" the nose.

 

Another explanation relies on the use of rhino as a slang for money. Rhinos is the Greek word for nose, thus a rather loose connection is supposed to be set up between paying and noses. A nosebleed is a metaphor for being "bled dry" of money.

 

[DC Dawg]

It is from the 9th century when the Vikings would cut off the noses of the Irish who didn't pay their taxes.

 

Scott

[coinman23885-migration]

Norway (from the Vikings)

[Moon]

QUESTION:

 

Where did the phrase “To pay through the nose” originate?

 

ANSWER:

 

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/moolah/history.html

 

It comes from Danes in Ireland, who slit the noses of those who were remiss in paying the Danish poll tax.

 

 

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[cpm9ball]

QUESTION:

 

Where did the phrase “To pay through the nose” originate?

 

ANSWER:

 

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/moolah/history.html

 

It comes from Danes in Ireland, who slit the noses of those who were remiss in paying the Danish poll tax.

 

 

Congratulations to our 1st place winner dan8402! You will receive a coupon for 1 free standard grading.

 

Congratulations to our runner up winner AB! You will receive a note sample and bank bag.

 

Thanks for playing this weeks Numisma-Quest. Dont forget to stop by for this weeks NGC question!

 

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[GaryJSokol-migration]

Another explanation relies on the use of rhino as a slang for money. Rhinos is the Greek word for nose, thus a rather loose connection is supposed to be set up between paying and noses. A nosebleed is a metaphor for being "bled dry" of money.