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  1. Not sure if you're talking about design differences, but the immediately apparent difference to me: the top one is a nice, attractive, original orange gold, the bottom one is a cleaned white gold stripped of all patina. One of these I would want, one of these I would not.
  2. Yes, sports cards too:
  3. Well there's a face I haven't seen in a long time. How ya been, James?
  4. What if we think this is a silly idea and want to write our congressmen and tell them to vote against this nonsense. Do you have a template for that?
  5. Is this really a hoard? Sounds more like someone selling a collection that had been kept in a bank vault, not a hoard.
  6. It looks like the luster just drips off that coin. Very nice.
  7. If a coin is only worth $100, I'm not going to spend $35 to get it graded. I'm quite sure there are thousands and thousands of 67s in rolls and mint sets that just haven't been submitted because it isn't worth it. I'd wager that for many of the ones that ended up graded as 67, the submitter was thinking it was a 68 or a 67 FT. My rule of thumb is, its generally not worth it to submit a coin that is worth less than $300, unless there is some other reason I want it in a slab. For example, I've submitted inexpensive coins because I need them to complete my Registry set. Didn't make financial sense, but I did it anyways.
  8. What sort of stuff do you mean? Like packaging materials, promotional materials around the release? Or do you mean contemporary artwork or artefacts? I personally am mostly a coin collector, I don't usually get the paraphernalia surrounding the coin. But, if you're making a display showcase, that sort of thing can really bring it to life.
  9. This coin looks like a very nice prooflike coin. Many times throughout the years, prooflike coins have been advertised as proofs or specimen strikes. This happens for two reasons: people don't understand that prooflike strikes are a natural part of the life of a die, and aren't an intentional special strike. They look great, and I think they are desirable, but there is nothing inherently special in their manufacture. And also, if you hype it up as a proof or specimen (no evidence required!) then you can sell it for much, much more. Without some evidence that this is a specimen (some contemporary documentation describing its status, the reason for making it, who it was given to, what ceremony it was part of, etc. - and no, a letter from Breen doesn't count!), then we as numismatists just cannot accept it as a specimen. Without documentation, its a very nice prooflike example and worth a fraction of that asking price.
  10. The problem is, WC, these "attributions" are for cameo and ultra cameo proofs. Anyone buying them is already paying a premium for the strength of the cameo. I find it really hard to believe that there is going to be a demand for these T attributions. A very strong cameo already gets a very strong price - no matter what die it came from.
  11. It's avaiable to read for free on the NNP: I will add it to my list!
  12. If he wrote the book, he can put whatever prices he wants in there! I haven't read his Red Books, I still have his original guide for Franklins. However, this press release is actually talking about a much, much older book: As far as I know, it has been out of print for decades. I'm really curious why NGC is suddenly starting to designate these varieties.
  13. The National Numismatic Collection is in Washington. That's the capitol, that's were the Smithsonian is, that's where the collection is. Now, you could argue that the capitol should be more centrally located, but that's not going to happen. There was no reason to think about accomodating other museums - they sent the samples to the Smithsonian! Private museums are not their concern. The Connecticut Library, ANA, ANS, and other significant collections have examples of pieces because some collector bought them - not because the mint gave it to them. And, they definitely had no concern for the public or collectors! That wasn't their job. We as collectors have a slightly different perspective, but you have to think: the Mint is a Factory. They make what they're told, they melt what they're told. It's no different than Apple or Tesla. Is it Tesla's job or concern to send an example of each model to museums around the country? No - they are there to stamp out a product.
  14. Do they have to come in those god awful holders, or can you get them in normal holders? Seriously, that is one of the worst eyesores I've ever seen y'all put out. Whose idea was that?
  15. Well, well, well - the story gets a little more interesting!I was doing a bit of reading about the Detroit Money Museum, and its founder Nathan Shapero.I stumbled upon a token the museum issued, and knew instantly that I needed to own it as a companion piece. On the reverse is a fairly generic name and title - but the obverse! The obverse shows a money tree! The money tree shown here is of the Japanese variety, but I thought that it was absolutely brilliant that the place that used to own my money tree issued a token with a money tree. Coincidentally, there just happened to be an Ebay auction with one of these tokens. I won the auction just moments ago, and normally I'd wait to take my own pictures but I was so excited to show you this cool little piece.
  16. Unfortunately they aren't mine, those are just from Wikipedia. I'm not sure how much gardening you do, but if you try to grow nougat, it grows into a snickers tree. You have to be very careful with the watering, however.
  17. Absolutely, yes, they grow from seeds called "nuggets." Luckily, these seeds are plentiful in Morocco. As you can see below, in their native form they almost resemble trees already. It just takes a bit of nurturing to grow them into fully formed coin trees:
  18. So those would be punched on a strip, and then the strip was cut to make the individual pieces, right? The pieces would be square? Interesting. I think Russian "wire money" would be something similar, not sure if there are "uncut" strips of that.
  19. The Moroccan Cast Money TreeOr, A Journey to the Deepest Corners of Numismatic Historyby Jason PoeAny of you who know me know that I’m a fan of Moroccan coinage. The simple geometric patterns, the symbolism, the history, the story – it’s all fascinating to me. My latest endeavor was brought about by a recent Heritage auction purchase – and here’s the story about why it is so special. This is one of the rarest pieces in my collection, and also one of the most fragile. Funny story: when it arrived on my front doorstep, I came home to find the box bashed in. I knew what was in the box, so my heart nearly dropped because I knew how fragile the piece was. Luckily, Heritage has experience in shipping fragile items – inside the big box, was a smaller, sturdier box. Inside that smaller box was many layers of bubble wrap. Inside that was a cardboard reinforced envelope with the item inside. What was the item? Read on to find out!You may be familiar with the cast bronze coins produced by Morocco, known as the falus. If you aren’t familiar with them, I have one pictured below. This is a 4 falus coin from AH 1287 (1870 AD). They weigh roughly 11.5 grams, and are usually somewhere around 28 mm (slightly larger than a modern US small dollar coin). They are hefty coins, and usually found in low grades. They are very crude, made from hand engraved punches. Sometimes, they have unique errors like the one I have shown here – notice the date is “12887.”These coins were made by the casting method. There would be a clay mold (one each for the obverse and reverse), and the coiner would punch the designs into the clay mold. When the clay was baked and hardened, they could then put the two pieces together to form a chamber into which the molten metal would be poured. However, rather than just casting one piece at a time, they would make a channel between pieces (called a gutter) and cast four pieces per branch. These branches were joined at the top to make a “tree,” and 12 coins would be cast in a single pour. When the metal cooled, the coins would be broken apart and the jagged bits would be filed down. Sometimes, as you can see at the top of the coin shown above, it wasn’t a clean break. Sometimes a chunk of the coin would be missing, sometimes a bit would be left over. This is known as the “sprue.”Most cast coins use a similar method. For example, China and Japan used the tree method to cast coins. To get an idea what the mold looked like, see this picture of a Chinese mold (I couldn’t find a Moroccan mold).Sometimes, it's possible to find unbroken pieces. Usually, they come as two- or three-coin groups. Sometimes, you can find an entire branch of 4. If you get really, very lucky, you’ll find an unbroken tree. When I first started collecting Moroccan coinage, I read a brief snippet in Krause: “occasionally entire or partial trees are found on the market.” My curiosity was piqued.Over the years, it turns out that a few of these unbroken trees have shown up. Usually, they are of the lowest denomination, a single falus. The higher up you go (1 falus, 2 falus, and 4 falus coins were made), the rarer the trees seem to become. As I dove into researching these pieces, attempting to locate one (at least to see it – I never thought I’d be able to buy it!), I came across a quaint book by William H. Valentine, titled “Modern Copper Coins of the Muhammadan States.” It appears to be handwritten, and the illustrations are all hand drawn. However, he has a description of a certain item: “This drawing represents the method in which the Moorish copper money is cast and consists of twelve one falus pieces, each coin being subsequently broken off. The original is in the possession of the British Museum, who kindly gave me permission to make this reproduction.” I searched the archives of the British museum (their entire collection is digitized online), but alas, I could not find this piece. It appears they may have sold it. These falus were cast in AH 1261, or roughly 1844 AD.The next reference I found to these Moroccan cast money trees was in the 1922 Numismatist. A Mr. A. R. Frey gave a presentation at the 1922 ANA Convention, and then had a display. He talked about coinage of varying shapes besides round – triangle, square, octagonal, and other odd shapes. One of the items he presented was this tree of falus cast in AH 1278 (1861 AD). Again, this tree is of the one falus denomination.Numismatic history was silent on these cast trees for a few decades, as far as I could find, but then Stacks and Bowers had an auction at the 2018 ANA. They had not one, but two! different examples of the unbroken tree. The pedigree note on that auction gave me a fantastic clue: “Ex: Hans M.F. Schulman auction, January 26-27, 1971 “The Howard Gibbs Collection.” Luckily, the Newman Numismatic Portal has digitized mountains of numismatic history, and I was able to easily pull up the auction catalogue. Sure enough, there were a couple of unbroken trees and a few broken trees listed. I drooled and salivated over these tantalizing glimpses of cast money trees – and wondered where they might be now.Well, fast forward to about a month ago. I noticed a listing on Heritage for one of my holy grails – an unbroken Moroccan cast tree. But there was something different about this one: this one was a 4 falus denomination! This wasn’t the more common 1 falus. I watched, I waited, I anxiously and eagerly counted down the days to the auction, knowing without a doubt that this piece would become mine! Finally, I won!In the interest of finding out more about this coin, I did a bit more research. Heritage provided a brief pedigree: “Ex. Detroit Money Museum (Inventory no. 2-7-63) From the Charles J. Opitz Collection.” The Heritage listing also mentioned that this piece was pictured on page 230 of Charles Opitz’ book, “An Ethnographic Study of Traditional Money.” I bought the book, and while there is only the briefest mention of the Moroccan money tree, the book has been a fascinating journey through shells and beads and cloth and such – all the things people have used as money besides coins.Since I was trying to find out everything I could about the piece, I decided to contact Mr. Opitz directly and ask him about it. He told me that it was originally in the collection of Nathan Shapero, who loaned (and then sold) his collection to the Detroit Money museum. The Detroit Money Museum opened in 1960 and housed an impressive display of primitive and traditional money, and told the story of the history of money. One of their most impressive pieces was a yap stone. Sometime in the early 1980’s, Shapero sold his collection to the Detroit Money Museum. Unfortunately, this arrangement wasn’t to last – in 1986, most of the museum was sold to a Detroit dealer. Mr. Opitz was fortunate enough to visit that dealer and purchase most of the traditional money – this piece included.I decided to investigate a bit further, and see if I could locate any other 4 falus trees. I recalled the Gibbs sale of 1971, so I went back and checked that auction catalogue again. Sure enough, there it was: “Unbroken tree casting of 12 three falu coins dated 1289 AH. Extremely rare. Only in these three collections: (a) Chase Manhattan (b) Shapero Detroit (c) Gibbs. Note: “I have hunted for a complete tree (I had a broken one) for over 30 years. Now June 1964 I went to Marakesh and found it.”” (not sure why they called this a 3 falu coin – that denomination is quite uncommon)Wow, what a fascinating piece of information! Only three known – and I apparently have just bought the Shapero-Detroit-Opitz specimen.Congrats, you say. Show me the piece, you say. Ok, here it is! The first thing you notice is the nice, even color across the piece. The branches are solid, and there is no hint of corrosion anywhere on the piece. The branches come together in a solid bit at the top, which was clearly cut and ground where it was poured. In between each coin is a short gullet, with “perforations” near each coin to help break it off. I am extremely pleased to add this piece to my set.So, questions? Comments? Do you have a broken or unbroken tree to share?
  20. If you are bored during Quarantine, or you need something to read in the park as we get back to normal - check out my book! Strike. Luster. Wear. Eye Appeal. Surface Preservation. If you understand these 5 basic building blocks, you will be able to grade any coin. In this book, I will teach you not only how to judge these pieces, but why a coin looks the way it does. I'll point out common problems with coins, and how it affects the grade. And finally, I'll pull everything together and show you how to grade the coin. Soon, you'll be grading coins like the pros! I hope you enjoy this book, and I hope that you are able to learn something from it. It is available on Amazon, so please take a look: The Art and Science of Grading CoinsThanks, Jason Poe
  21. The Art and Science of Grading Coins Available on Amazon
  22. The issue of print runs and leftover inventory is precisely why I went with Amazon's Print on Demand for my book. There is no inventory, they just print one when someone orders it. I've been lucky enough to sell almost 600 copies - which is many, many more copies than I would have ordered if I did a print run.
  23. If you are an ANA member, you have access to the ANA library now. You have borrowing rights. Ask them, and they'll send it to you.