Hoghead515

Thank you for sharing. That is a very impressive collection. I love how detailed it is and the work and research you put into it. Ive been wanting to learn more about these and your registry set is very helpful.

You are doing fine. Its great to see someone on here willing to learn. You cant learn if you dont ask questions. Thats why this part in the forum is labeled Newbie Forum. So new collectors can ask questions and learn. I was the same way when I first started collecting. Its great to see someone like you thats willing to learn and take advice from the more experienced experts. We see alot of people on here who demand their damaged coins are something they are not. They wont listen to the advice of the experts and demand they are wrong and their beat up coins are valuable errors. Some people dont want to accept reality and want us to lie to them. Weve seen all sorts on here. Your doing great. You are willing to learn. If you stick around here and read all the different post and ask questions you will learn a whole lot. Just dont let the trolls discourage you. We get plenty of those also. Ive came a long way in the hobby by staying active on this forum.

The 1 point jump in grade helped that coin bring lots more money. Some of the quarters I collect bring around $40 to $50 in MS66 and $400 to $500 in MS67. Crazy how 1 numerical grade higher could make that much differance in the price. Also the star on that one helped it. They put a star on coins that have exceptional eye appeal. That can make a coin bring quite a bit more also. Factors such as toning and eye appeal can make a coin bring quite a premium.

Ive always wondered how many coins like this that end up at the TPGs due from inexperience of submitters and the misinformation spread on places like YouTube encouraging new collectors to do so. I think it was just a couple days ago @VKurtB said in another post that the graders were laughing at half the coins that come in there. I think alot of the crazies on YouTube, and others, are encouraging alot of it. There are alot of videos making up non existant errors that are valuable and all the get rich quick off pocket change videos. I think its where most of the error hype is coming from and why we keep seeing more and more damaged coins on the forum people are thinking are errors.

I done messed up and married one thats smarter than me. I cant get nothing over on her. Ive tried before. She found a couple of my coin receipts. Sorry to go off topic @Coinbuf and butcher your thread.

Some coins make a huge $ difference just jumping up 1 numerical grade. May be one of them. Ole @Lem E knows his stuff on the nickels. Hes got one of the finest sets in the world.

Same here. If I had to make a decision and either get rid of my coins or my wife. Id sure miss that woman. Just kidding. Hope I dont every get put in that position. I love them both dearly.

If I had a Morgan in my collection as lovely as the 85 it would break my heart to sell it. I really really like that one. I would keep it and admire it until my days were up and then pass it on for family to admire. My sons are starting to get into collecting more. Espically my youngest. Ive got a couple beautiful Morgans Im gonna enjoy hopefully for several years and then pass them on for them to enjoy. I got a few Morgans but 2 of them are very appealing. But I understand if you want to sell and put the money into something else. If I were going to go about it id have them slabbed and send them into an auction like GC. I could see people getting into a bid war over that 85. Thats just me and my opinion. You got way many more years experience than I do and know more about how to go about selling it. Id say it sure is a hard decision.

Why would you waste money having a coin like that graded? Not being mean or anything. Just curious. Its only worth a little of face value and the grading fees are very expensive. Im just wondering why someone would wrap a $100 piece of plastic around a 10 cent coin. Espically it being cleaned. Its definately not an error coin. If it were an error it still wouldnt be worth the grading fees.

I agree with the others. Damage. The 2 took a hit from something and displaced the metal. Ive got a jar full of wheaties and several look alot like that from the damage they recieved over the years.

Mine has been lagging pretty bad. It only logs me every few days.

If they were mine Id definately keep them. But I dont sell hardly anything. I really like both of those. Espically the 1885. Love the toning on it. If you did sell it would probably fetch a good price due to the demand of toned coins. Those are some beauties. That 85 is stunning. If I were fortunate to add a beauty like that to my collection Id definately keep it there and pass it on for my kids to admire.

Oh no I dont take offence at all. I like when people correct me so I can learn from it. I apriceate it when people correct me and try to teach me the proper spelling, proper terms, etc. Theres very little that I take offence to. Im probably one of the easiest going people you will ever meet. Thank you for teaching me the proper spelling of them. Never know I may have used that term later on and someone may think Im talking about a token with a big buzzard looking bird on it. Thanks for sharing that info. I never realized there were so many of them. It would bout be impossible to collect them all. I was reading that chart wrong. Thats crazy. Hard telling how many engravers there were engraving the dies for them. That opens up a massive opportunity for collectors to start a collection of them. So many ways. Collect by countries or just however they would want to go about it. The more Im learning about these the more Im talking myself into wanting to start a set of them myself. If I do I probably wont go about it in any particular way. Probably just pick ones I like, put them in cardboard flips, and put them in a box labeled Conder tokens. I find several of the designs very facinating.

In that article where it talks about classification. Does that mean theres 72 varieties of these tokens that were struck? I seen where it said some are very rare. That would be quite a feat to try and put a whole set together. Thats some interesting history behind them. Thanks for sharing @Sandon

Spelling is definately not one of my strong points. Thank you Sandon. Ill remember that for now on. I was spelling nickel wrong there for a long time until someone on the forum corrected me. I was spelling it nickle. Now Ive spelled it the correct way since. I apoligize to anyone if I ever spell anything incorrectly. I didnt get a very good education here out in the country. I graduated high school but our school system didnt teach us a whole lot of grammer. I dont think half the teachers around here could spell neither. Not only have I learned alot about numismatics on this forum Ive also learned how to spell several words.

Its definately pmd or post mint damage. Happend after it left the mint.

I actually just looked on Ebay and found the same exact token. Only its got a $65 price tag on it now. If Id got it in that auction Id got it for less than half that last time.

I agree with Sandon. Its just heavily damaged. People do all sorts of crazy things to coins. Weve seen a little bit of everything on here. I dont know if its from boredom or trying to pass some off as mint errors. Or crude art projects. Looks like its had a sander or something of that nature taken to it. If you learn how the minting process works you will learn theres no way possible for it to happen at the mint.

Looking at them it looks like you can collect them fairly cheap in circulated condition. Ive seen a few I really like. I actually bid on one several months ago. It was one with a crane on it. It was in decent shape. I was the only bidder for days and it got all the way down to the last 3 seconds and someone out bid me. I was so excited because I really wanted it and thought it was gonna be mine. I was a little heartbroken when they sniped it out under my nose. But thats the nature of the beast. I always wondered if it may have been the owner not wanting to let it go so cheap. But I dont think it was because I never seen it come up for sale again. I wish I had bid a few dollars over the minimum bid just in case. But hind sight is 20/20 as the old saying goes. Im still happy someone got to add that beauty to their collection even though it wasnt me.

Ive looked at condor tokens a few times and found them fun to look through. They would probably be fun to assemble a collection of them. Ive given it thought from time to time but I got so many different things started now I still havent finished. Maybe one of these days. My question is, were they ever used here as currency before a mint was established? I know of a few other forms of currency that was but Ive wondered if any of those tokens was ever used to barter with in this country in the 1700s. I figured some of you on here would know from your years of collecting and knowledge. If anyone has anything else related to condor tokens other than the question I asked feel free to share it. Myself and probably others would love to know all sorts of history about them.

Can you post clear cropped photos of both sides?

It all depends on the condition. If its very heavily circulated its not worth much over face value. On in uncirculated condition can fetch higher depending on condition.

Those are some of the best pictures ive seen showing the difference in these. Thanks for sharing. Be very handy for new collectors.

This post here is why you got some of the answers you did. You asked if this article pertained to your quarter in anyway. You got honest answers that it is not worth no where near as much as whoever wrote that letter is stating those dollars were worth. You got an estimated value of what your piece would bring at market. Posting things like this and asking makes us assume your wondering if its valuable. It is a very cool piece. I would love to find one. I dont have any in my collection but Im not really interested in errors but I do save them as I find them. If I was interested in them Id buy one simular to it for around $40 at a coin shop or off Ebay. These are easy to find from error dealers. Maybe not that particular date but the ones they have are mostly one of a kind also. The way your quarter was made was sometimes the dies come loose from all the vibration and movement and rotate and strike the coin like that. When employees realize it they shut the machine down and reset the dies. Sometimes a few get passed them in quality control and come out where us collectors try to find them. The mint dosent like to release them but its hard to find everything when they are striking thousands of coins. I agree with you its very unique. Im very happy for you that you found it. Maybe it will be the start of a new hobby for you. But if you post things like the post above it makes us think your wondering if its valuable.We just assumed because were not mind readers. We try to give honest accurate answers and advice to peoples questions. Sometimes they may not like what they hear but they will get the truth.

You know, Its been a while since Ive seen a thread from a new collector asking if their 64 Kennedy was a SMS. I remember Ratzie 33 was finding them at least once a week. . Im suprised we havent seen any of those in a while. i would love to read about some real 64 SMS sets sometime in the near future. Ill never own any in my lifetime but still interesting learning a little about them. I do plan on putting together some cameo sets in 65 66 67. Ive done close to having the 67 done in MS67 cameo. Only got the dreaded cent left to get. Its gonna be a tough one in ms67 cameo. Ive seen a few out there but they get a little pricey. Ill get the ole girl eventually.