Truly Clean

Another acquisition from last summer.  Audi TTRS.  Instead of buying coin, I spent some coin:

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On 5/1/2020 at 5:01 AM, ronnie stein said:

 You and I together can use our imagination, probably end up MS69 proof by the time we discuss it!

I think maybe it IS MS.  These are commonly weak strike and I think it's just very dark toning concealing BU luster.  ;)   Dad was very happy!  Thanks for your help guys

4 hours ago, ronnie stein said:

My two photograde cheat sheets didn't include the twenty cent piece, but I stared at coins closely with the same obverse and reverse features so long that I need a nap. I'm seeing 35 to 40, but, the weak strike issue is one where I think they have a slight forgiveness on grading, so I think your right, maybe XF45. I wouldn't even give my newbie opinion, but I put a full hour into it, so there it is. The REAL evaluators will follow shortly. PS.. Take care of that 1880 S lady!

Can you tell me a little more about cheat sheets please?  I'm not familiar.

Thank you for checking it out.

P.S.  hahahaa . I am ;)  Don't be spending an hour checking out MY lady !

Hi all   My dad has a small circulated collection of flying eagle cent, large cent, half cent, two cent, three cent, half dime, etc. But no twenty cent so I got this for a birthday present for him.  I struggle with grading, especially circulated.  I was thinking XF, possibly AU50?  Or am I being optimistic?  For what it's worth I paid 250.

20 hours ago, Six Mile Rick said:

You asked everyone for some insight, didn't you?

You don't want to hear the truth then stop asking questions.

My answer was not inclinations it was honesty.

 

I think Anthony just wanted some info/reasoning, not disagreeing with you assessment. (peace)

14 hours ago, ronnie stein said:

Truly Clean, when I showed my 1880 S  the photo of your 1880 S, and she saw the beautiful MS67 that she could have been, she just hung her AU50 head. She knows she never should've gotten on the back of that motorcycle. 

LMAO.  Also @ my AU50.  Ahhhh what could have been.....  

The 67 makes all my other 64's look not quite as nice as they did.  Maybe I should trade you?

Most of my collection is MS64 (or as close to it as I can afford)  but I wanted one that was higher grade.  I picked this up today and am quite happy with it especially for $475.

16 hours ago, jgrinz said:

If it looks worse in person than in the pictures you can still return it. Ebay protects the buyer not the seller

Contact seller first before doing the return processes because I think in this instance you would have to give him a "not a described" strike which is not good. 

He will most likely take the return to avoid this.

 

That's news to me.  GREAT to know!.  Thanks!

17 hours ago, jgrinz said:

Sounds like a good deal but yeah I agree a little rough but that give it a nice character

I like it

On 4/2/2020 at 6:29 PM, Coinbuf said:

The last 5 PCGS graded in this grade crossed the auction block (heritage in all five cases) at an average of $984 with the lowest being $900.  That gives you a good feel for where the market is so it just depends on what you think of the quality of this coin.

Thanks.   Always hard for me to tell by pics.  I hope I'm happy with it when it arrives. No returns by seller was the only catch.  Now the last Morgan I need to complete the P, O, and S mints is the 93-S.  I'm probably going to collect the CC's before that one though.  All I have are have are 3 (easy ones) of the 13.

The seller accepted my offer of $850 so I bought it.  I suppose the market is softening as some were discussing on another chat board.  Thanks for the responses.

26 minutes ago, Coinbuf said:

 so it just depends on what you think of the quality of this coin.

It looks a little more "scraped up"  (idk the numismatic term) than I'd like, but I think it looks solid for the grade otherwise?

5 minutes ago, Greenstang said:

If you could get it for $935.00, then that would be a good deal I think. It is  a PCGS AU53 that he is asking $1595.00 for so I'm not quite sure what your questioning. If you really want it, then go for it.

NGC has the same coin valued at $2000.00, also there is a PCGS XF45 listed that the asking price is $1270.00. 

MY mistake, I originally included the AU53 link instead of XF45.  The XF45 is what was counteroffered at $925.  I edited my original post.  Thanks

Hi all.  I'm looking to upgrade my 1895-s VG10 Morgan.  It's the only one in my collection that's not at least XF40.  I've been watching for quite a while.  This one below (I don't know why it won't 'link' ) was just listed on Ebay and I wanted to get some second opinions on this coin and any other thoughts you might have.  I'd rather have an AU (only my 92-S XF40 and 03-S XF45 are under AU)  but I don't want to spend a whole lot more than $1000, 1300 tops.  Seller counteroffered $925.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1895-S-Rare-date-Morgan-dollar-PCGS-AU53-white-luster-Free-Shipping/392745931155?hash=item5b717b5193:g:LJsAAOSwni1eg~zJ

OOPS.  not the AU53.  This is the XF45  :   

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1895-S-MORGAN-DOLLAR-NGC-XF45-SILVER-1-US-COIN-LOT-5102/293527183920?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055359.m2763.l2649

Thanks for your help!   Jim

I wish I had photography skills.  The yellows/golds and greens are cooler than pics show.  Why doesn't PCGS use star or similar designation?

1 hour ago, JKK said:

" Bampaw " 

ROFL.  Thanks for the laugh and help.

33 minutes ago, Just Bob said:

As far as reading, I would start with the NGC news articles CLICK HERE and the What You Need To Know threads on this forum. CLICK HERE

There is also a list of books on the WYNTK page.

I'll check it out.  Thank you!

Oh, I see. I didn't know that.  I've read a couple books on Morgans.  Is there an especially good book or online archive that you would recommend about coin collecting in general ?

Thank you all for of your help!  I was considering giving the benefit of my doubt to the seller given the possibility in my mind that the photo or lighting hid any luster, PL or not, and even cleaning. He said it was his grandfather's collection who was a pure numismatist.   Also, like Just Bob said, this tough date is typically lacking in detail, but maybe I wanted it be MS too much.  It seems unanimous that those are circulation marks and not excessive unc marks.  I was looking to upgrade my AU55.  I think I'll stick to NGC and PCGS graded coins.  I've studied hard for the less than a year I've been collecting (Morgans only), but I still have so much to learn.  Why doesn't ebay allow video option?  Thanks again

I'm not much of a fan of toning, but that one is SWEET jgrinz !!

I'm considering buying this online.  Seller honestly believes it to be MS and PL.  I'd appreciate any thoughts/feedback please ?

11 minutes ago, Revenant said:

AU58 just means it has slight wear on the high points so it's no longer MS. The number of bag marks gets a lot less important when you're not talking about MS grades. In circulated grades it's more about the level of wear and how much detail survives.

Thank you Rev, very helpul

Thanks Bob and Moxie.  They are both AU58 which I was surprised.  I think the PCGS definitely has substantially more marks.  I just wanted to see if there was something I was missing due to my lack of experience. If anything I thought PCGS was slightly more conservative than NGC?  In this case (with the marks) it doesn't seem subjective imo.