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@kbbpll Thank you, 

I don't think they are plated, I am pretty sure they are clad. (6% Zinc, 3.5% Manganese, 2% Nickel, Balance Copper) US Mint. That would rule out Flaw bubble. Of course, I could be wrong and I will just accept it as a plating bubble for now until I can research further. I don't think I have ever seen a Dollar coin with doubling. Thanks again 

Hello,

Need some help to identify if this is a double die? I want to say this is a Denver mint coin, but I will verify later today. 

Thank you for your time. 

On 1/10/2020 at 2:44 PM, Bink2090 said:

Thanks, the usb microscope has some white LED lights on it. it's a huge pain on really clean coins. Reflects right back into the lens.

Yeah, I stopped using USB microscopes for the same reason. Get a desktop lamp, non LED for now, place it next your microscope, and turn off the LED light on your microscope. you can try that, maybe it will give you better results. Just a thought. 

Wait, it doesn't look polished? it could just be the lighting and me not having enough experience with Franklins. 

But it is a really nice coin. 

1 hour ago, VKurtB said:

Not bad, try to make the lighter part of the reflection "roll all the way around" the coin. It takes a little practice. I used to be good at it before my stroke ruined my right hand small muscle manual dexterity. My signature now is a hot mess.

Thanks, 

Maybe I can try latex gloves instead of cotton, they are too slippery. 

24 minutes ago, CRAWTOMATIC said:

btw, I prefer spermaceti whale oil in my lamps.  None of that cheap lard oil the pleebs use to look at their corroded farthings. 

25 minutes ago, CRAWTOMATIC said:

  I'm thinking if you could match the wavelength and lumens output of the 100W incandescent on an LED bulb we wouldn't notice a difference

would we have to match color? it could be easy to match the lumens output from LED lighting, but it will still be whiter than regular incandescent light. Which I think is more to a yellowish tone.

Video on the cartwheel method. Please tell me if I am doing this correctly. (Obverse)

https://youtu.be/mZTAXoUEJLE

and this is one is of the Reverse

2 hours ago, VKurtB said:

standardized light

Ok, So i can do this with incandescent light bulbs at home? I might not want to as far as to looking at it in a dark room under a lamp yet, but perhaps in the future. any wattage type? 

41 minutes ago, Coinbuf said:

luster breaks

When you say luster breaks, do you mean like a water stain or whatever type of stain?  

I thank you both @VKurtB and @Coinbuf for your input. I understand that photograding is very challenging and I appreciate it. Personally, I think the coins look better in had than in the pictures I post. Perhaps I should post videos doing the cartwheel thing.

Thanks again. 

I couldn't help myself with the DDO Question

But in all seriousness, I am trying to get better at the hobby and one thing would be to get better at grading so I can go out and buy real collection worthy coins. If I'm to spend serious coin on a nice collectible, I would like to know what I am buying. I guess i am in the crossroads between focusing on errors and just buying awesome looking coins. 

With that, I will start with cents as I favor them like I do Jefferson nickels. Anyway. I am going to say that this 1969 - S Lincoln cent could grade ast AU - 58 if not an MS60 perhaps? 

I think there is enough damage to the count to make it an MS60 and could grade as low as AU 50. so maybe a solid AU50 to be on the safe side. 

What do you all think? 

P.S. I can post better pictures later today. 

12 hours ago, rick2020 said:

Just started collecting found this 1977 half dollar with no FG mark on back. Can anyone tell me if this is worth hanging onto?

Full pictures will get a better response. IMO 

OMG, I can even tell that it is a fake. 

1 hour ago, VKurtB said:

I say "yes" and they have been for over 6 months now. They are counterfeiters testing OUR ability to detect the falseness of their work.

They me be trying to get insight of how you guys can tell it is a fake and try to refine their process. My guess. maybe just offer one simple, Fake. 

4 hours ago, VKurtB said:

I'm pretty sure the reason why the Newbie section was even created was to get its questions off the main board, so the section could be ignored by management to become its own cesspool, and with a few precious exceptions, the strategy seems to have worked, jus' sayin'.

Makes sense. 

On 1/5/2020 at 3:31 AM, Six Mile Rick said:

The reverse has some rough die cleaning showing in the fields. Your obverse seems to have a scratch at the date though (wheel mark at the sctatch?). MS65. Not really worth the risk of details grade since 65 6FS is rated $40 to $60. What you are seeing at 2 0 clock on reverse may be q tip or eraser work done to clean it in the past.

Thank you for your input, I can see the die filing now and no, I don't want to risk details grade. it is heartbreaking.   Welp it goes into my poormans Full step collection.  

Wait, Can I even say it is fulls Steps? I mean they are pretty clear. 

1 hour ago, JKK said:

The observable evidence, as always taking the images for gospel (color can sometimes photograph oddly):

• It's worn down to G. No chance of VG; too good for AG.
• It has light scratches that might not be easily spotted in hand (images are blown up, of course).
• The light parts don't look natural. They look like what you get with a bad cleaning.
• The darkened parts don't look natural. They look like what you get when you try artificially retoning a bad cleaning, or when it is perhaps exposed to some influence (could be a liquid, could be old paper, could be deteriorating plastic, could be who knows what).

Does that mean it was cleaned? Not necessarily. Does all that fully explain what happened to it? Not that I am aware, but I'm not an expert. Is it a great find, an IHP in an old truck? Boy howdy it is. Does it give people a good example of what unnatural bronze cents look like? In my view, yes.

Thank you for taking the time for such detail explanation. Very Educational. Thanks again.

Don't get discouraged. We can comment once a week to get this back on top every week.

20 minutes ago, JKK said:

Never mind. I am not communicating effectively.

you are, I think, it is just my stubbornness  trying to justify things,looking for answers as to why things happen.  

Bottom line, you assessment of G, cleaned is good enough for me. After all, that is my initial question and I see why such evaluation. 

thank you. 

44 minutes ago, JKK said:

I don't think that's how the wear and cleaning came about.

Really? ok so maybe it was like you said, cleaned and ended up in my truck and then my son found it? 

I can live with that   Thanks JKK.

3 hours ago, Six Mile Rick said:

When you turn the coin in the light you will see the white wheel burn on the coin.

That's is what it looks like on both, I am using my phone and the lighting is not the best when i take the pictures. Maybe I need to get a desk lamp? 

Well, that's is a wee disappointing, but in line with what I was expecting. 

Thanks @Six Mile Rick and @CRAWTOMATIC 

One day I will find something worthwhile and Just buy it  

3 hours ago, Six Mile Rick said:

Dukemnm -- I will trade you coins for chickens. 

Sure, I'll buy some chickens. I had a pair of chickens - a dozen free eggs every week. 

13 hours ago, JKK said:

Maybe I've whiffed on something.

you've been smoking  Just Joking. 

This picture does no justice at all. i'll take another picture with a better camera. However, I understand what you are saying and always appreciate your insight.  

17 hours ago, Kirt said:

interesting to speculate how it came to be in the back seat!!

 

So, I got the truck from a guy that works construction, like mansory truck is beat to hell but the engine is in really good condition with only less than 150K. so you can imagine laborers climbing in and out of the truck. one of them must have dropped some loose change, the Cent was underneath the weather mat there was broken rear window and there was some water damage so Imagine the penny in the back under a mat getting dragged around as people or tools get tossed in the back. I was surprised that it wasn't all green like the others he found back there. 

To @JKK 's point, that would account for the whizzed and cleaned looking wear. In a sense, it was cleaned by natural events like when a rocks smooths out in a river.  

I it is my sons coin, and he loves it, now i can explain all this to him, not that he will understand much because he is only 7 but good learning opportunity. 

Thank you all. 

Thanks @Six Mile Rick So the lines going towards the 2 o' clock would not be considered Wheel Marks?

@CRAWTOMATIC what do you think?

I wonder if I can get Mr @DWLange to comment, so maybe I can send this one in for grading

23 hours ago, JKK said:

G, cleaned.

Cleaned? What makes you say it was cleaned? remember this was in the back seat of a pick up and the breasions could be by it being kicked around. or is it the color? Just curious, it has been beat to hell.  

@VKurtB

This is the cent that my son found in the back seat of my Ford Ranger, (I Picked up the Ranger Used) and taking a closer look I was way wrong. Not an AU at all.  maybe a VG at best or just GOOD.

Found this Penny in pocket change and I kept it because of the toning. when I took pictures, you can tell how it was severely cleaned. Poor Lincoln