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  1. Fitted the 21mm item into a 21.5mm nickel slab using a bit of rubber. Going to send a 4oz Liberty Dollar order Bernard's way and see what he can do for a label.
  2. Update: 2014 copper piedforts of the 12 original 76-79 coin dies are available on the royalhawaiianmint website. The mintage on the piedforts is 40. The piedforts indicate that the original 12 of Bernard's dies were for a Hawaiian currency system consisting of the following gold denominations: 5gr au 2.5gr au 1gr au 0.25gr au 0.1gr au 0.01gr au Mixed with copper. The 0.25gr au coins used the shelter systems inverse and had a mintage of.. 4? Bernard matched the Kamehameha I inverse and the Shelter Systems inverse at one point? The guy still gets NORFED paper money orders, you can send mail for them, and he's the one who gets back to you. The plan is to stick it in a 20mm lighthouse quickslab (it's slightly smaller than a nickel but much larger than a penny) and then have him write the label himself when I mail these NORFED certificates in sometime before they expire in November. He's a busy guy. I'm pretty much going to do the numismatic documentation/archival stuff by hand considering the subject matter and how the fella got charged with counterfeiting. The hand written label should make it the lack of professional authentication sufficient for the distant future. More pictures! One thing you should note is Mr. NotHaus' early mintmark- a n inside of a star. I'll be bump the thread as I find information and if I get my slab label written. I've been a collector for a while and have never been part of something "numismatically significant." I am excited to be writing this one down for the historical society.
  3. Found this gem on Ebay. Was ready to shell out 111.11 dollars (that was my bid) but Ebay happily accepted 66 dollars since nobody bid higher than that. It is one of the first coins Bernard von NotHaus ever struck with a hydraulic press back in his cabin-in-the-woods days. What is extremely significant is that it is has the same obverse design as the 1998 Shelter Dollar. This is a HUGE win. What was great about the listing for me was it used the inverse as the main picture and did not use Bernard's name nor did it use the word NORFED which people commonly use to facilitate successful searches. The auction also ended in the middle of the night. I am going to contact Bernard's former associate, mintmaster Telle Presley to get packaging for the item, a CoA, and possibly mintage information. What she had told me on the phone is, "I may not have the information as we weren't the experienced minters we are today." My educated guess is between four to two-dozen. Big difference in price there. Two dozen means it is worth 500 to the proper collector and four.. gauging by how many collectors there are.. means it's a 2000 dollar item. It's a niche market. Hooray for me! Size is 21mm and it is probably sterling as Bernard never used nickel for these.
  4. I have a 1976 shelter dala. I am trying to find the mintage. As far as I know it is, according to Telle, "very few." I found it in the possession of a token seller in Chicago on Ebay. I have emailed THN and would like a reply. Telle is considering sending me papers for the coin in the coming week and I will be making a thread about it on the message board shortly. I believe this will be a population 1 piece. Paid 66 dollars and might consider selling it for a four digit number once I have it documented and its existence published. M
  5. To a lot of people they stopped making coins in 1964. They now make tokens.
  6. I had come to this forum about a year about a year ago with an interesting bullion round at the flea market. I didn't really know much, people threw around the names Bernard von Nothaus and Daniel Carr, and it got me really into this stuff. What I had gotten was a creation of Bernard von NotHaus with a TWENTY denomination on it and something that wasn't hawaiian nor a NORFED product, which is somewhat unusual for him. I sold the bullion round I had bought for 20 for a hundred-something dollars. That had me looking up stuff on the Liberty Dollar encyclopedia. I had the owner of the Liberty Dollar encyclopedia contact Bernard von Nothaus for the following mintage information: "5000 one ounce silvers were minted in 2009 200 #ed and gold plated 100 #ed 50 hallmarked with my hallmark" (B inside of a triangle inside of a circle done with a metal stamp as far as I can tell) That's straight from the horse's mouth. There seems to be an abundance of these coins in Florida. This is the hallmarked coin what which I pried from the flea market dealer for 70 after explaining what they are and getting to know the fella: That is ONE out of FIFTY TOTAL PRODUCED! I personally would let go of this coin for 300.
  7. 2009? you mean 2011, right? After finding that out I am convinced this is a personal engraving made to commemorate his arrest in the circles of his people, with some features thrown in to confuse the feds while NotHaus awaits sentencing. I know a damn good high quality piece of engraving artistry when I see it! I figure it's that or it's a piece of silver with a B on it. I think I might be right, that it is a commemorative. This is a wicked unique artifact of libertarianism but I don't think the watermark will help anyone much when the dollar collapses. I think I'd like to buy some more silver.
  8. The 110 one on ebay with 5 dollars shipping is mine. If it sells at the end of the week, I am going to feel pretty bad. The fact that this is an alternative currency denomination with NotHaus's stamp appeals heavily to me as a slightly-left leaning libertarian. 7 watchers in 24 hours. Probably going to sell, I think. So I should trust my sensibilities on pricing this, right Mr. Bob? Right. Thank you.
  9. I'm just a layman. You guys think 115 is a fair price? The collector's market is extremely niche and I'm not expecting it to sell right away. If I got it bricked, could I probably charge even more? I just got into coin collecting as my grandfather gave me a couple pieces from his coin collection. My personal 'thing' is silver rounds at a dollar or so over spot with impressive art engravings. I am really on the fence about getting rid of this thing in less than a week of owning it. It's definitely worth bricking... right? I'm pretty novice at this. I'd enjoy getting this thing bricked and having a nice 200-dollar personal piece. I don't know too much, but to my understanding this "commemorative" if you will, is the only product with Bernard's stamp that doesn't feature the liberty dollar head. To my understanding this is extremely rare... but on the otherhand, people don't even know that this coin exists and how much were minted. Thanks!
  10. Yeah, I think it might be some sort of Bernard von NotHaus commemorative. It says 2009 on the "heads" side of the coin in the regular fashion, but I think C11 might actually mean that it was made in 2011 to commemorate that buffoonery. It is either that or it was made in 2009 and C11 means that Bernard has been in business for 11 years. I call it a commemorative because it doesn't have the liberty head. The reason why I bought this silver round and not some other one was that I felt the eagle was a good piece of engraving artistry. I think Bernard's associates really tried to do a good job with this coin. I listed it on ebay for 115 bucks, but I would be happy to keep it and one day have it bricked. It is an extremely rich piece of history, this coin, but part of me also feels like I can sleep well at night knowing I made 100 bucks off that little B watermark. I tend to buy coins for their artistry and not the mint mark. Also, I gotta say, Bernard von NotHaus is probably the best person on Earth to make a privately minted coin that is worth a premium!
  11. It has Bernard von Nothaus's B inside a circle signature in addition to his usual font. How much would something like this be worth? It's a pretty mysterious coin as far as products of NORFED go. The 2009 date kind of commemorates Nothaus's arrest and the whole "trillion" thing is obviously some form of mockery of the federal reserve. Considering the premium liberty dollars go for, I think something like this would be worth considerably more than the 18 bucks I paid for it. I think it would be worth a hefty premium to someone who collects Nothaus's products. This is the only one I can find on the internet: