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  1. DISCOVERING VARIETIES USING PHOTOSHOP TO COMPARE COIN IMAGES Using Adobe PhotoShop (PS) we can compare images of the same date to view any possible differences and thus establish the variants. I will be using the Venezuela 5B (1879 to 1936), my favorite coin collection, for these comparisons. 1936 was the last date the Venezuela 5B (FUERTE) was issued. To compare two coins we must first align them and make them the same size. For alignment I use the top of of the shield. Before resizing, crop the image to the borders of the coin. Resize all images to the size of the largest. There are two methods that I use for comparing images. The first method involves placing one image on top of the other and making the top image around 50% translucent. The second method requires more work but I feel is worth it: Make a “mask” of each coin in different colors and the compare both “masks” one on top of the other. Both methods will be clear once we see the finalized product. In the case of the Venezuela 5B all but one of the varieties known involve the date so we will concentrate there. Here is a combination of both methods. A red “mask” was made of a coin graded with the variant “9 HIGH” and a green one for “LOW 9”. Both images were superimposed and the top image was made partially translucent. More examples will be posted as I get the work completed. By closely looking at the second 9 it is easy to see that the red 9 in higher and more to the right of the green nine. Looking at only the masks is even more obvious. The stars are not part of the date and thus should stay in place always and serve as a guide that we are doing a good job if they match. The following example is the result of superimposing only the two masks of 1926 coins (NGC SN included). As you can see the stars on each side align perfectly. In the case of the year 1926 NGC does not recognize any variants even thogh these two coins are clearly different. NGC ACCEPTED VARIETIES NGC recognizes varieties for the following years: 1886 1888 1902 1910 1911 1912 1921 1924 1936 Not attributed any longer by NGC. THE 1921 VARIETIES I made a mask in red for the 1921 "Narrow Date" and pasted it on top of a coin with no variety attributed. It is clearly a "Wide Date". The major differences are noted in green. THE 1910 VARIETIES The are two varieties recognized for 1910, “ROUND 0” AND “OVAL 0” It’s easy to see the difference in this comparison. Not only is the “ROUND 0” wider but the center of the zeros are very different. THE 1924 VARIETIES NGC recognizes 4 varieties: WIDE DATE, NARROW DATE, LOW 9 and HIGH 9. WIDE DATE (RED) / NARROW DATE (GREEN) The difference is quite obvious LOW 9 & HIGH 9 In the following photo we compare an NGC coin graded “LOW 9” in blue to “NARROW” in orange and “Wide” in black. The “LOW 9” is about as wide as the “NARROW” and all number except the “1” are lower. I did not find a coin graded “HIGH 9” but it is possible that such a coin is no other than the “NARROW” which as we mentioned is higher. Is there another variety for 1924? Let’s compare two coins. The first coin is an NGC coin graded AU DETAILS “LOW 9”. The second coin is a PCGS MS 63 with no variety attributed. The third image is a comparison of both coins. As can be clearly seen the PCGS coin is very similar to the “LOW 9” however the NGC coin is clearly wider which is very easy to spot when you look at the “4” The PCGS coin is clearly different from the other varieties “WIDE” and “NARROW” and it’s obviously not the missing “HIGH 9”. THE 1936 (NOT) VARIETIES In the past NGC has recognized three 1936 varieties: “HIGH 3”, “NORMAL”, “LOW 3”. Let’s take at look at them. In the following image are two superimposed “masks” of the “HIGH 3” and “NORMAL” varieties. They are identical. This is a side by side comparison of the “HIGH 3” and “LOW 3” varieties. This is a top on top comparison of the “HIGH 3” and “LOW 3” varieties with the top image being 50% translucent. Can’t see a difference, neither can I! When I asked NGC, on June 5th. 2020, about the 1936 varieties, the answer I got was “We will not do any attributions for 1936” which I thought was the correct and honest answer. Here is additional proof of the non existence of the 1936 varieties. The same "mask" has been applied to all coins. There is an additional image for another LOW 3 but I ran out of uploading space. THE 1911 VARIETIES (corrected on 06/24/2020) The image below is composed of “NARROW” mask and a “WIDE” mask superimposed on top of a “NORMAL” coin so that all three varieties are visible. The only “NARROW DATE” I found was a PCGS SN 80554128 MS 64. By the way, PCGS has some great images I have used for my research, NGC images are not even close. The following coins graded by NGC as “NARROW” I found to be “NORMAL” 2669687-013 XF 45 2669687-008 VF 35 2834210-002 VF 30 THE 1912 VARIETIES The difference between the “NARROW” and “WIDE” DATES is quite obvious. The “WIDE” DATE is represented by the green “mask” and the “NARROW” DATE is below. I looked at the only “NORMAL” DATE that I could find but it was a VG 10 coin and I was not able to notice any difference, I understand that the “NORMAL” DATE is only very slightly wider than the “NARROW” DATE. THE 1886 VARIETIES NGC recognizes four varieties for 1886: NORMAL DATE SECOND 8 LOW TIGHT 8s NO ACCENT I first made a green “mask” of an NGC “SECOND 8 LOW” graded coin and applied it to all coins for easy comparison. Below is a “NORMAL DATE” with the green “mask” on top. The next image is of the “SECOND 8 LOW” with it’s own “mask” The last image is of “TIGHT 8s” No image is provided for “NO ACCENT” since that is easily observable in the word BOLÍVAR (BOLIVAR) in the obverse. THE 1902 VARIETIES There are two varieties for 1902, “WIDE” and “NARROW” dates. The image below is a “mask” made with a “WIDE” date and superimposed on a “NARROW” dates. The main difference is marked on bottom right of number “2”. THE 1888 VARIETIES The first image is of a coin graded “SECOND 8 LOW” with a green “MASK” outlining the date. The second image is of a coin with no variety assigned but differs from the “SECOND 8 LOW” as can be seen when the same “mask” is applied to it. NGC recognizes only two varieties so I will assume that this one is “SECOND 8 HIGH” even though I would have named them the other way around. I assume that who ever decided to name the varieties saw them from another angle. THE 1926 VARIETIES NOT RECOGNIZED BY NGC I will present the case for the existence of four clearly different varieties for 1926 which are not recognized by NGC. According to numismatica.info.ve/en, a widely respected source, there can be as many as seven varieties. I will present the ones I found and can show with photographs. Here are the four varieties with their "mask" superimposed I separated the four varieties into two groups for a clearer image. The job has now been completed with the description of each variety. Below you will find all necessary "masks" you will need to identify the Venezuela 5B varieties. You need to straighten each coin using the top of the seal as a reference, crop the image to a square that barely touches the four side of the coin and make the coin the size of the mask provided. Next you will open the file containing your coin and the file with the mask that matches. The mask will be above the coin image and since it is transparent you will see your coin below. In general only one mask is necessary to identify all varieties since all varieties have been identified and you will see that if the "mask" doesn't match then it's not that variety it's the other one. It's impossible that images will match exactly since there is necessarily some small errors when doing all the needed straightening and cropping, however you should be able to move the mask around to make it fit the necessary space. Making the side stars match is a good starting choice. I have not been able to remove the image below.
  2. You can get a pretty good idea if the images are correct because once you compare them everything matches except the dates (variants).
  3. Hi! I don´t have an answer for the die question. Regarding Photoshop I can assure you that the program creates no distortion when resizing. With regard to the distortion when taking the picture I agree one has to be extremely careful. Up to now I´ve worked with photos obtained from third sources, grading and auction companies. I´ve been stuck in Madrid for 5 months, when I get back home I´ll take photos of my own coins. Regarding the validity of the method, I believe, if you do this with extreme care it is surely better than comparing two coins with a loupe.
  4. When I click on the VarietyPlus link for Venezuela there is only one variety listed: 1872 TACHIRA STAR UNDER DENOMINATION 2R MS. NGC Attribution: TACHIRA STAR UNDER DENOMINATION However there are a lot of varieties listed in the NGC census. Why? Also, I have sent coins for variety designation and they have been returned as "NO VARIETY". There is no way of telling if a coin is not a variety or it has not been designated a variety. As an example, I have the following coins, all Venezuela 5B 1936 The NGC census shows three coins: 1936, 1936 HIGH 3 & 1936 LOW 3. Questions: 1) Is a 1936 different from 1936 HIGH 3 & 1936 LOW 3 or maybe it has not been tested for variety. 2) Are there 3 different coins? Would the 1936 be a "1936 NORMAL 3"? If so, should it state this fact? 3) In general, in the Venezuela 5B census, there are several years that have a couple of varieties and then just the year. The 1924 census has 4 varieties and then simply 1924. Is 1924 a different coin or it has not been graded for varieties? 4) Is there a source where I can learn about the Venezuelan varieties? THANKS!!!!
  5. Please add the following sets: VENEZUELA: ¼ Bolivar, Silver, 1954, 1960, 1965, Circulation Issue SN: 4757517-012 / 4929458-013 / 2808211-005 Silver 5 Bolivares, 1879-1889, Circulation Issue, ONE PER DATE (THERE´S A SET WITH VARIETIES) SN: 2804425-036 / 2804425-029 / 2804425-020 / 4632732-002 Silver 5 Bolivares, 1900-1936, Circulation Issue, WITH VARIETIES (THERE´S A SET WITH ONE PER DATE) SN: 2815994-001 / 2804425-014 / 2808175-004 / 3641267-005 / 2669687-013 / 2835579-001 / 2791928-013 / 2809995-011 2815994-009 / 4460399-007 / 2841167-007 / 2818653-030 THANKS!!
  6. Hi! There are two sets that already exist which I list below: Silver 5 Bolivares, 1879-1889, Circulation Issue (with varieties) Silver 5 Bolivares, 1900-1936, One-Per-Date, Circulation Issue Please add two new sets: Silver 5 Bolivares, 1879-1889, One-Per-Date, Circulation Issue Silver 5 Bolivares, 1900-1936, Circulation Issue with varieties THANKS!!! Serial numbers: 1879-1889 1900 - 1936 2815994-001 2804425-014 2808175-004 3641267-005 3641267-005 2669687-013 2841727-001 2809995-011 2791928-013 2815994-009 4460399-007 2841167-007 2818653-030
  7. Hi Ali! I tried to create new sets but could not find these: Venezuela: - All are finished! ¼ Bolivar, Silver, 1894-1948, Circulation Issue ½ Bolivar, Silver, 1879-1946, Circulation Issue Bolivar, Silver, 1879-1965, Circulation Issue 2 Bolivares, Silver, 1879-1965, Circulation Issue
  8. Could you please add this set? The Venezuelan Central Bank issues commemorative coins which make a beautiful collection. The first commemorative coin was issued in 1930 and it should be an ongoing concern. Here is a list of the coins that would make up the set (with varieties).
  9. Hi! Please create a collection with the full set of these two sets. That would be: 1) Silver 5 Bolivares, 1879-1936, Circulation Issue 2) Silver 5 Bolivares, 1879-1936, Circulation Issue with varieties Existing NGC sets: Silver 5 Bolivares, 1879-1889, Circulation Issue Done! Silver 5 Bolivares, 1900-1936, One-Per-Date, Circulation Issue Done!