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  1. Just wondering if NGC is aware that the verify scans/photos are very dark for recent submissions. When I look up a coin like this: I can see almost nothing at all. Is this done on purpose?
  2. I read the article about these Sunday in Coin World and thought "ho hum". Then I read this thread and checked ebay and figured I better check around. 20+ locations in my city are sold out. Except one in a bad neighborhood that has a "small box" left. I befriended an employee at 3 AM who gave me 2 free loose ones. Then today I bought 10 Big Macs to get 5 tokens (mix and match 2 for 5). I could not make a set, so I got 5 1998-2008 as they are supposedly the "rarest". Thinking about going back for more...should I? Usually prices on stuff like this is huge off the bat and then drop
  3. I think you'll be just fine. Can you imagine how many worse mistakes have been made on these forms?
  4. Just wanted to update this thread. I put some dip on a q-tip and rubbed most of the spot and surrounding dark toning off, about 95 percent. It looked much better. But then that area was too light compared to the rest of the coin, so I gave the whole thing a dip. Thankfully, it didn't hurt the luster. I rinsed it and let it sit out for a few weeks, obverse down. The reverse started toning nicely (thankfully) and when it started getting a bit deeper I tucked it away and sent it to NGC. I just got my grades and it went from MS 64 to MS 67 (I was right about the technical grade
  5. This coin is in an MS 64 NGC holder (circa 2001-2003). Technically, outside of the spot, it's an MS 67. My question is does the spot (or is it corrosion?) look like something NGC conservation can help? And just for fun, do you think their net grading on it was fair or too harsh or not harsh enough (could have been bodybagged at the time?) Seeking all opinions.
  6. Bill, your grading system reminds me of the old NCI grading by James Halperin, which is quantifiable. His system is: Obverse: Rate Surface Preservation, Strike, Luster, and Eye-Appeal from 1 to 5. Surface preservation is multiplied by 2. Add them up. 5-10.49 is 60 10.5 to 12.49 is 61 12.5 to 13.99 is 62 14 to 16.99 is 63 17 to 18.99 is 64 19 to 20.99 is 65 21 to 21.49 is 66 22.5 to 25 is 67 (that was the top grade at the time) This system has some flaws. I don't think strike should be given the same weight as luster fo
  7. I made this diagram for my writings in my Peruvian Dinero set, but I felt it had general application to all coin series so wanted to post it here. Essentially, it shows the relation of luster on one axis. and contact on the other. to a coins grade. The lower the grade, the more possible variability. Whereas an MS 67 coin will almost always have full luster (possibly slightly subdued by toning) with only very minor non-focal contact, an MS 63 may have no contact but only decent luster, or it may have full blazing luster, but lots of (but not extreme) contact. Or it may be inbetween thes
  8. Congrats on your win physics! Your PL set is very impressive. (And congrats also to Mohawk, who was posting while I was typing!) I was heartened to see the work I put into my Peruvian Dinero set paid off with NGC deeming it the "Best World" set for 2017. Congrats to all those who won and also to those who didn't but put time and effort into making the NGC registry an informative viewing experience.
  9. I think prices for Peru coins remain fairly low (in my view) because not many are putting together high end sets due to the either 1. Difficulty or 2. Impossibility depending on the series. (And prices for Peru at the Whittier sale were absolutely rock bottom for many high quality coins). Even though 2006 seems recent, it was just the beginning of world coins being slabbed. It seems the slab market started picking up steam around 2010 . And even by type, prices sometimes remain low. I paid 320 for my 1886 Cuzco Dinero in MS 62, a one year branch mint type coin. This is better than ei
  10. Sorry to dig up an old post. But I was just reading this and wanted to say that even after years of studying Peru coins, I am still shocked at how low prices were in the Whittier sale. For most Peru coins in the sale, perhaps 75 percent of them, the average price today has doubled or more. Some of the lots of raw coins did exceptionally poorly. I finally got my hand on the physical catalog for Whittier and I was surprised that every Whittier Peru coin I own is photographed, so that wasn't the problem. But regardless of prices, it was a landmark sale. On the other hand, prices
  11. You may want to try some of these sites, which congregate dealers together: vcoins ma-shops delcampe Atlas has nice stuff, but most is well overpriced. World Numismatics tend towards fairer prices, but their inventory isn't as strong as I would expect for being a major Latin American player. A lot of the market is simply ebay and Heritage, Stacks, and Sedwick these days. Be sure to check numisbids to search for LA coins on lesser known auction sites. Also see As far as I can tell Civitas inventory rarely turns over.
  12. I'm just curious if anyone shares my frustration at viewing coins at shows under fluorescent lighting. The luster on coins looks very dull, and it's hard to tell what they will look like when I get them home. Yes, I realize that most dealers have halogen lamps over their cases. For some reason though, even when I hold a coin under these lamps, the overall ambient lighting still gets in my way. Does anyone else feel the same or am I alone on this, just curious? This is mainly an issue with high end coins. Mid-grade and lower coins aren't really effected.