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  1. Just bought this today. 1811 Proof 18p, NGC 66 Cameo.
  2. Sold Out?

    Did you get them from a third party reseller?
  3. Heritage Auction

    There will be another one of both types. I was after both for type set purposes.
  4. Heritage Auction

    I managed to pick up a couple of pieces during the Internet portion of the auction. The most important to me was a 1902 Low Tide Halfpenny , graded 64 but had 65 surfaces. It completes a type set of Edward VII British currency pieces in silver and bronze. I hadn't even seen one before in good condition. Also a 1902 half sovereign in 65, to add to a half sovereign type collection. I only have the George IV types and Victoria Young Head type to go.
  5. Dassier Medals

    Some Dassier medals are up for auction soon at one of Heritages world coin weekly auctions.
  6. Heritage Auction

    The VAT is waived if the coin is exported out of the EU/UK. So North Americans don't need to worry about it.
  7. Heritage Auction

    I was on the phone with relatives for the British section, of most interest to me. I missed a 1772 halfpenny I was really interested in, and one or two others went for high prices. so other than the missed 1772, nothing lost.
  8. RMW Collection

    Thanks. For me , it's another example of the saying, " buy the coin, not the holder". it took a LONG time to find a piece with this kind of strike . Since then, I'm aware of others of the same type, but different dates.
  9. RMW Collection

    ghermann, for the Brits, wear is wear no matter the reason. Not necessarily so in the Us, if the friction/wear is very slight.And pre 1797 British coinage is even more difficult as we saw on the Ms 65 piece as poor die quality and incomplete strike, due to the semi- manual nature of the production process then (there had been a progression from hammered pieces from even earlier), can lead many to mistake it for wear. As I said on balance, for me, I knew that the strike on my piece was unusually good and complete and so more design elements are present, despite the wear/cabinet friction, than the MS 65 piece, especially on the obverse. So that was my preference. Others can disagree. I had a chance to buy the 65 piece, by the way. I think modern pieces are far easier to grade as strike and die wear are usually not nearly as much of an issue, although quality in Britain deteriorated after Victorias reign (in my opinion), during the reigns of Edward VII and George V.
  10. RMW Collection

    Glad you like it. Some would be put off by the apparent wear and shiny stuff on the reverse. Others would like the red on the other piece, and the strike on its reverse is pretty good. To each his/her own. I may have posted this before but here is a PROOF George I farthing, 17`17 (the first type, not the type we were discussing). Mintage probably around 20, I think less. The Mint Master at the time, many would say, was one of the 100 most important people who ever lived (Isaac Newton).
  11. RMW Collection

    Youll do better next time. I mean, on the other piece, look at the knee area of Britannia on the reverse. Looks like chunks are taken out of it, yet graded as 65. Also little hair detail on the kings portrait. But it looks like they saw zero wear, good fields, and the bit of red. No consideration of the strike although it is more typical of the type.
  12. RMW Collection

    OK, since there are no other estimates, here we go. I honestly did not expect such a difference in opinion, as we have: gherrman 55 Jeffrey Dickson, say 60 Welsh Dragon 65. The winner, based on the certified NGC score, being the closest, IS (the envelope please.......) WELSH DRAGON, for being two points off the certified grade of 63. We can all genuflect in your direction.... if we knew where you live. But its not necessary unless you wish to. But before you get so stoked you do a personal best in powerlifting or startling your girls with shouts of glee, consider this. gherrman and Dickson in my opinion are ALSO both right in that they detect a bit of wear. And this shows the difference between British and US grading. This piece was bought raw and submitted to NGC for slabbing. It was NOT bought as a mint state coin but as a "good EF". Many British pieces described as such are graded in the low 60s in the States. Here is my take on this. I dont believe this piece ever saw circulation as I dont see any marks on the coin that would indicate it. Leaving the probable wear out of it, the surfaces appear to be very choice. But here is the tricky part. Coins made prior to the advent of steam power are notorious for weak and incomplete strikes. Copper coins in Britain, especially during this period, are notorious for poor strikes, as there was little or no quality control on their production. Dies were used until they wore down or broke entirely. A more typical example of this series is one which Ive attached pictures of here (not mine). When you look at it, if you are used to 19th or 20th century coinage using steam power, you might say the attached piece is say a good VF on the obverse. But hold on to your chair when I tell you the certified grade (PCGS). 65!!!! The strike is incomplete because of the worn out dies used in its production, thereby losing quite a bit of detail. Back to my piece, then, fields are excellent and strike is unusually complete for the series. While there is no red, understandable for a 298 year old coin, surfaces look fresh and original. Where both gherrman and Dickson come in is that there appears to be a bit of wear, especially on the reverse, especially along the leg of Britannia, the shiny area, and possibly along the tips of the laurels on the obverse. So how can an apparently uncirculated piece show a bit of wear? By how it was stored. Most likely for 12 generations or so, this piece was stored in an old fashioned wooden coin cabinet. The coin cabinet would have wooden shelves with holes in it with velvet on the bottom of the hole. the coin would be placed on the velvet. Over nearly three centuries, the process of opening and closing the shelve to the cabinet would result in a very small amount of wear and a shiny spot caused by the friction, as the coin moved to and fro in the hole (not cut to the size of the coin, but bigger, so the coin would move back and forth). Despite the probable wear however, the strike on this piece is superior to the attached picture of an Ms 65 farthing of the same type. So to my eye, my piece is superior to the 65 even though it is graded 63 and may have a tiny touch of wear (called cabinet friction in the UK). Anyone of course is entitled to disagree , if for example they like the bit of red on the other piece,but that is my take on it. So, grading is more art than science. Different elements come into play, with surfaces being the primary one in the US. In the Us, this piece is graded in the Unc zone. In Britain, ANY wear for whatever reason is cause for knockdown to good EF. So, for different reasons, all 3 participants have valid points to make. Thanks for taking part. I hope everyone got something out of it, and of course feel free to discuss further if you want.
  13. RMW Collection

    Thanks for your input Jeffrey. We've got a range of opinion so far.
  14. RMW Collection

    Well it doesn't seem like many give a damn so I will close off comments Thursday night EDT instead of Friday.