JTO

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  1. Dear Ali, I would love to see the 18th century world (mostly Europe) silver coins have competitive sets. Such as the France ECU Example 3479130-009. I have a collection of Dollar sized coins from arround the world to illustrate the origin of the Dollar. Other examples are the Thaler's from multiple countries and city-states. Hoping, John
  2. Hmmm... Doors are a good thing to close (my wife and I have 2 daughters). I wonder if you might have missed a decimal point on the $122.00. By my math $122.00 in cents is 122 X 100 = 12,200 coins. A roll or stack of 50 Lincoln cents is ~ three inches in length or height. I would not contest that you made a stack of that number of Lincoln cents but I think that if you did it was a bit taller than 19.5 inches. Just my 2 cents, John
  3. Obviously to have done all that I am a deeply disturbed person...
  4. The key point is that in 2014 there were no German 1 Mark-E Proof 67 Ultra Cameo coins in either PCGS or NGC holders. Now at NGC there are 2 in Proof 66 UC and 1 in Proof 67 UC. Now at PCGS there are no Proof coins above 65 in Deep Cameo. There are still only 3 coins in the population reports for this Ultra Cameo group all now at NGC, 2 in 66 and 1 in 67. But does that represent 1, 2 or 3 individual coins? So the possibilities fro your coin are 1) a new coin surfaced (weak theory, because what happened to the PCGS 67 Deep Cameo), 2) the lone PCGS coin was submitted for upgrading (i.e it was never in an NGC holder) or 3) one of the two NGC coins was crossed to PCGS to get a grade of 67 Deep Cam. and now you are crossing it back. In an unusual act of integrity the PCGS labels 66 AND 67 Deep Cameo were returned when crossed to NGC because both the PCGS 66 AND 67 Deep Cam have been removed from the PCGS pop report. Major kudos to you if you did that! Population reports are bloated due to crack outs or re-submissions that don't return the original label to the competing service, but that is quite another topic.- The links for the full size images are below. https://coins.ha.com/itm/germany/world-coins/germany-empire-wilhelm-ii-empire-proof-mark-1910-e-/a/3032-31714.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515 https://www.atlasnumismatics.org/1051904.jpg The last Image can be found at NGC World Coin Auction Results and for each of the two headings just cut and paste the entries below Keywords: GERMANY. Mark, 1910-E. Dresden Mint. PCGS PROOF-67 DEEP CAMEO Auction House: Stack's Bowers Galleries (& Ponterio)
  5. After some digging I think I may have found your coin. A similar or the same coin appears at Heritage in 2014 in an NGC Proof 66 UC Holder and sold for 646.25 with photos that are not photoshop edited (Photo 1 & 2). So in 2014 at the time of that auction there were 2 NGC coins in Proof 66 with none finer and 1 in a PCGS 66 holder with none finer (3 coins at or above 66). Your coin has a high likelihood (at least 50:50 chance) of being the 2014 Heritage coin. The coin was crossed to a PCGS holder at sometime to bring the grade up to a Proof 67 Deep Cameo (PCGS simply give higher grades for the same WORLD coin than NGC does, they just do.) The coin was sold on eBay for ~1450.00 in the PCGS holder with the same image that you have (Photo 3). This image looks like it was taken in an old NGC holder as there are no prongs of the edge view holder (either NGC or PCGS.) Stacks's Bowers then sold the coin in a PCGS proof 67 UC in 2018 for 650.00 (now there are prongs seen on the cropped images (Photo 4). When Heritage posts photos of a coin in a slab they use basic photography, no photo shop so the coin looks VERY different that those that they present as cropped images of the coin with the holder cropped out. Hope this helps, John Photo 1 Photo 2 Photo 3 Photo 4
  6. Although not for Lincoln cents there have obviously been over-dates after 1909. Specifically the two that occurred in 1918, the 1918 over 17-D nickel and the 1918 over 17-S quarter. That said I agree with Coinbuf and my best guess is that this is and example of grease strike through error. I have a great Lincoln 197 -D with no trace of the last digit, so only 3 numbers with the D below. I like it because when you say it, the D fills in the sound of 1970, but what year is it? Who knows. How much is it worth? Not much... to anyone but me.
  7. That is, without question, not a genuine number on the slab. The font is incorrect and the sharpness of focus is clearly sharper than the bar code below. This could be a seller protecting their NGC number on, say e-bay, prior to sale (but why not just white out the number and the bar code) or a counterfeit (albeit a poor one) or something in between. If you are being offered the coin for your purchase, get a real number first, unless you know the dealer and they have a valid return policy. With the certification number enter it and the grade into the NGC web site and you should see a photo of the coin in the slab (if is within the period of that label.) To enter the certification number to check its validity: 1 go to the NGC registry homepage and look at the upper banner. Click on "Resources" and a drop down menu will appear. 2 Click on Verify NGC Certification. This will open a new page with a space to enter BOTH the certification number and the numerical grade of the coin. I agree with coinsandmedals Hmmmm.... Looks like a scam to me. Just my opinion.
  8. The photographs are the same. The photograph that you have posted is the same as the photograph NGC used. Therefore the if the images are the same (based on subtle shadowing and the post photograph editing) there can be only one coin. I am curious how you came to have that digital image to post? It is indeed a stunning photo and coin. Enjoy!
  9. JTO

    Confluence of Collectors

    This coin is not a top pop, nor a high value or even a coin of striking beauty. Why would I buy it? It is an intersection between a man who was one of the most infamous collectors and a man who was the most accomplished US coin collector. The infamous man is King Farouk of Egypt who conspicuously collected coins en-mass. He is responsible for the legality of the only 1933 double eagle that is legal to own. That particular 1933 double eagle was exported by Farouk who actually applied for an export license which was mistakenly granted in 1944 (shocking that the Federal government screwed up...) The Fed's realized their error and tried to get the coin back from Egypt but WWII intervened and efforts were paused. Farouk was subsequently overthrown and his coins seized by the People of Egypt and auctioned in London. The US attempted again to get the coin back but it again disappeared until it was found in the possession of British coin dealer Stephen Fenton. After some haggling by the Fed's agreed to an auction and in a 6 minute flurry away it went from Sotheby's New York to an anonymous bidder for $6.6 million, plus the 15-percent buyer's premium, and my favorite part an additional $20 to the US Treasury to "monetize" to coin (making it the only [legal tender] , legal to own 1933 double eagle.) The $6.6 million hammer price was split between Fenton and the US government. The most accomplished coin collector is of course Lewis E. Eliasberg Sr. who accomplished a task that will never be repeated. He collected one of every US coin, by date and mint mark from 1792 to the date of completion circa 1950. He too had a 1933 double eagle, but not the same the Farouk specimen. When Eliasberg learned that the coins were considered contraband by the US government he turned his in to be melted at no charge to the government. Some of his more notable coins were the 1933 double eagle, a 1913 Liberty head nickel and his last coin to complete his set a 1873-CC no-arrows Liberty seated dime. Two caveats to the Eliasberg collection: 1) he selected the best coins he could find but did not collect proof coins as separate from circulation Philadelphia strikes and 2) he had no 1849 double eagle of which only two were minted. One of the 1849 double eagles resides in the Smithsonian National Coin Collection and the other was lost to history. However, based on the fact only 2 were minted the 1849 $20 is considered a pattern rather than a circulation coin and thus not needed to complete his collection. This Coin: provides an interesting intersection between the two. The obverse of this common Egyptian 20 Piastres displays King Farouk and the pedigree shows that this coin was owned by Louis Eliasberg. An interesting side note is that the 20 Piastres was before and after 1938, a silver coin. Only in 1938 was it made of gold in honor of the King's wedding. John
  10. To the NGC staff and family, Thank you, thank you, thank you! I will rejoin the registry. As Mark Salzberg said when creating the NGC registry, he like most collectors have a mix of NGC and PCGS coins in their collections. If you buy the coin and not the holder that is the way it should be. I have not participated in the PCGS registry to any degree because they do not allow NGC coins. When NGC followed suit I stayed with it for a while but progressively lost interest. As someone who has a number of world coins, as a secondary collection to my U.S., NGC, in my opinion, is far superior at grading non-U.S. coins. So thank you to NGC for being the better sport and service. John
  11. I think that coin928 hit the mark with his/her concern about the after hours work by NGC employees to do Show Service. I find the people at NGC to be remarkably kind and considerate. When you find a business where the people are "remarkably kind and considerate" you tend to want to interact with them more or preferentially over their competitor. There is the issue: the price of success is more work. More work is financially good but can be personally taxing. I too hope that the employees at NGC are being cared for as well as they have cared for us. The fact that the same faces return to each show argues that there is symbiosis between NGC and its employees. My comment about the decrease in show services was not about the quality of the service itself but about the fact that the service is decreasing over time. If I did not really care about NGC I would not post comments here. Nevertheless we all need to remember that this is a hobby/business and the NGC people at the shows are working while we play. John
  12. There seems to be a growing corporate strategy for NGC to focus on the Non-US market over the US and leave the US to PCGS. I may be wrong and this is in no way a dump on NGC (you can read my laudatory comments about Mark Salzberg and NGC in the "A SLQ Problem Coin's Journey to Righteousness" journal thread.) https://www.ngccoin.com/boards/blogs/entry/292-a-slq-problem-coins-journey-to-righteousness/ It appears that while NGC is increasing its investments in the international market it is not doing as much on upgrading the U.S. platform. The data I use to make the conclusion that NGC is shifting their focus to the Non-US market over the US is based on 1) they dumped all PCGS coins out of existing "World" slots, years ago. 2) The registry no longer starts with US coins but it takes an egalitarian approach to all countries listing coins alphabetically by nation (I start each of my "registry encounters" with Albania.) 3) While they have decreased their presence at US shows (Long Beach etc.) they have increased their presence internationally. This includes both a greater presence at international shows and NGC has opened new "bricks and mortar" Centers in many other countries especially in Asia. This "corporate approach" is probably working as they seem to be the dominant grading service for both World and Ancient coins. Their volume has increased particularly in Asian paper money. With regard to the registry platform the registry navigation drives me crazy. When I finish working on my Complete Standing Liberty Quarter (SLQ) set and want to go back to Quarters to work on my "one per date" SLQ set or Early Quarters set and use the back navigation button on the browser, the browser does not go back to the Quarter's registry page but back to the first page of the NGC Registry (Albania.) I met with the NGC staff at a FUN show and explained this problem and they were clearly aware of as they said that others had complained as well. Alas 2 years and no fix and you cannot "bookmark” page 2, 3 or 8 even as a go around. If you bookmark page 6 the Registry opens to the first page (Albania.) I believe in NGC and find their grading more consistent and fair than PCGS. I much prefer dealing with Mark Salzberg over David Hall. I remember when Heritage Auction was more ANACS than PCGS or NGC. Then ANACS slowly disappeared and it was NGC and PCGS. Now, for U.S., coins I am seeing a decrease in NGC leaving PCGS alone. I hope NGC does not abandon the U.S. market by default (by not focusing their prime effort in the U.S. market and shifting it to the World market.) As I said I believe in and prefer NGC. NGC brought me the Edge View which brings some coins to life. NGC, for the most part, photographs every coin that they grade (PCGS does not.) That photo can help you recover a stolen coin (I have done it.) These efforts by NGC are what sets them as the market leader regardless of who was first to slab a coin (PCGS 1986 and NGC 1987) or who the Investor Class prefers. Please don't leave U.S. NGC! John
  13. Unfortunately that is the rule not the exception. NGC offered more "Show Grading" opportunities in the past. They came to Long Beach, for example, then just stopped. Then they shortened the window for Shows Grading at U.S. shows that they did attend. This seems to be a growing corporate strategy for NGC to focus on the Non-US market over the US and leave the US to PCGS. I may be wrong and this is in no way a dump on NGC (you can read my laudatory comments about Mark Salzberg and NGC in the "A SLQ Problem Coin's Journey to Righteousness" journal thread.) https://www.ngccoin.com/boards/blogs/entry/292-a-slq-problem-coins-journey-to-righteousness/
  14. A blue one I think... what a guy!