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  1. Still cannot obtain a Patina catalog - you would think Spinks would have uploaded it by now
  2. Thank you coinsbygary for the link and lovely pics. I did notice some information in the archives covering the three graces. There is so much missing information covering the Patina pieces but this could be a good forum to commence a compilation of pictures et al.
  3. Went to look for a copy of the Patina catalog on Spink web site and it is out of stock. It has been like that for perhaps 2 years or more. Any person have a spare copy or can send a photo copy?
  4. The Patina collection of 'fantasy' coins was auctioned by Spink, London in July 2001. Not sure as to what to designate these pieces however they do look most lovey. Not much is written or recorded in depth of these fantasy coins and obtaining a copy of the Spink catalog is almost near impossible. Discussions on several numismatic web forums reveal only a small amount of information pertaining to the Patina collection. If you do not own a catalog it is somehow hard to verify information on a suspected Patina fantasy coin should you wish to acquire or come across one. A few interesting questions comes to mind: 1. From the Patina collection which Fantasy coin is the rarest of the lot? 2. Do they hold a market value given they are not authorized coinage? 3. Should future numismatic catalogs list all of them in detail? 4. How can a collector obtain a copy of the Spink Patina catalog? Should any collector have photos and wish to share information to help ID or clarify varieties or simple provide information to verify real Patina pieces vs restrikes or fakes - then please feel free to share your information.
  5. Hello Lisa B Thank you for the reply. And thank the NGC graders for such a rapid review -very honorable of them. In terms of the long nose variety, I have consulted several Edward VIII collectors on the 'long nose' variety and there is no mention in the 'Portraits of a Prince' . In fact we had already reviewed all known reference books concerning the long nose variety and could find no evidence of such a mention. Geoffrey Hearn owned the original dies which my friend, Richard Lobel acquired an proceeded to make additional Coincraft issued fantasy pieces. According to Richard, the re-strikes of the Edward VIII Effigy had an ugly ear which was the prominent way of telling the original from the re-strike as well as a few re-strikes having a 'circular band / discoloration ring on the coin. As you can clearly see from the pictures supplied, the Coincraft effigy demonstrates a perfect set of ears but missing the bridge to the nose. Discussions with numismatic collectors of Edward VIII coinage, have come to the conclusion that to be deemed a long nose variety, the bridge of the nose must not be present at all and that the nose extends clearly to the eye. Could you please review and provide feedback. Thank you for the reply and as such we hope that a further review of the long nose variety will be considered. Should more information be needed, please do not hesitate to request. Appreciate your kind help. Warm regards, Dr. Morgan
  6. Thank you Lisa. Glad that NGC have moved forward in recognizing the variety. Regards, Dr. Morgan
  7. Hello Ali E Can you please ask the NGC graders to recognize the variety of the missing 'U' in the word 'Hundred' on the reverse of the Copper-Nickel Palestine Fantasy coinage of Edward VII (minted by Coin Craft - Richard Lobel). Pic 1a and 1b (close-up of normal word ' hundred' on reverse. Reference: Giordano FM59B Pic 2a and 2b (missing 'U' letter in the word 'Hundred' on the reverse. The middle of the reverse circle that has 'Palestine' in Arabic also has a letter section missing in the lettering. Reference: Giordano FM59B I have the complete Palestine Fantasy collection made by Richard Lobel (Coincraft) that includes the gold sovereign, Gold crown, silver, gilt bronze and copper pieces all graded by NGC and the variety of the missing' U" in the word 'Hundred' only seems to appear with the copper-nickel coinage of the Palestine fantasy issue set.
  8. LONG NOSE VARIETY - SEEKING NGC TO RECOGNIZE THIS VARIETY RE: WITH REFERENCE TO THE FANTASY COINS OF COINCRAFT (RICHARD LOBEL SERIES) ON A VERY FEW OF RICHARD LOBEL'S EDWARD VIII FANTASY PIECES COLLECTORS HAVE FOUND A DIE ERROR/ MINTING ERROR ON THE EFFIGY OF EDWARD VIII. COLLECTORS HAVE LABELLED THE VARIETY 'LONG NOSE' DUE TO THE RESEMBLANCE OF THE EFFIGY HAVING AN EXTENDED LONG NOSE. THE 'LONG NOSE' VARIETY (ON THE EFFIGY OF EDWARD VIII) IS WHERE THE BRIDGE OF THE NOSE EXTENDS DIRECTLY TO THE EYE AS THE FOREHEAD/ BRIDGE IS MISSING THROUGH A DIE/ PRINTING ERROR THAT MAKES THE NOSE VERY LONG (PINOCCHIO NOSE) AND IS SEEN THROUGH-OUT THE DIFFERENT METAL COMPOSITION OF THE RICHARD LOBEL (COINCRAFT SERIES). EFFIGY WITH NORMAL NOSE EFFIGY WITH LONG NOSE (NO BRIDGE/ LARGE FOREHEAD OVERHANG) THE VARIETY SEEMS TO BE ACROSS THE WHOLE SERIES OF THE EDWARD VIII COINCRAFT FANTASY COINAGE BUT RATHER SCARCE TO LOCATE A PIECE. I HAVE SEEN A LONG NOSE VARIETY IN THE GOLD SOVEREIGN, SILVER SOVEREIGN AND THAT OF THE NICKEL AND BRONZE CROWNS COINAGE BUT NOT YET SEEN ONE IN THE SILVER CROWNS. NGC GRADERS PLEASE ADVICE IF YOU REQUIRE FURTHER INFORMATION.
  9. I wish I had obtained that lovely 22kt gold Crown - it is most lovely!
  10. Sorry...it came in a black holder....along with severally unc older type coins of South Africa that the SA Mint had in stock still. This made up a set but their are only three unique coins...a gold sovereign, a nickel (crown) and a silver (crown).
  11. Thank you for the reply 7.jaguars If you or any other fellow Numismatist is interested in hearing a talk from Known coin Dealer Richard Lobel (who we have approached to be the guest speaker) covering the Edward VIII fantasy pieces over the years, then we could link you/ fellow interested Numismatists on our numismatic online forum on the 17th November which starts at 3pm South Africa time. At best, if you are not able to hear the discussion, then we do live recording and you could then access that and hear/ see the discussion taking place (probably be about an hour/ hour and a half. I have yet to confirm his availability for the 17th but so far all seems fine. I am not sure it will cover any of the Patina items and if it did, probably the Edward VIII pieces. Those interested please message me. Some background as to what you collect, email and any Numismatic society you belong too. We can then ping you an email invitation or send you the recordings. It seems scanning of the catalog of the Spinks Patina collection may involve some hard work - apologies upfront if it does to you or any other collector willing to help scan. WRT Pretoria Mint. Its been pretty tough finding out information but there seems to be a new find by Professor Malan and as such, the information that you are looking for may very well be coming out in a book/ catalog early next year....or at least some of what you are looking for.
  12. Hi 7.jaguars It is almost impossible to obtain a copy...I have emailed Spink, searched far and wide. A scanned copy would be awesomely appreciated! Brg5658 indicated INA minted others that form part of the patina collection. Most interesting - love the designs and have a large collection of Edward VIII medals and fantasy coins myself (I have a journal/ listing in the NGC collection board and a journal as well) hence the interest in obtain some more information covering the Patina collection. A little bit off the subject - Our South Africa Numismatics online forum will be discussing the fantasy pieces of Edward VIII on the 17th November 2020 with a VIP guest talk and I am sure that the Edward VIII Patina pieces will be talked about in the forum amongst other things.
  13. Hi brg5658 Thank you for your reply. I did not know that INA produced more than what was in the Spink catalog 'patina collection' . If there is more designs available for a collector outside of what was in the 'patina collection' sold by Spinks, then do you perhaps know of where to obtain this information on all their mintages (in reference to only the Patina series) or varieties? I have tried to obtain a copy of the above 'patina collection' catalog of Spinks but it is somewhat scarce and hard to come by. Appreciate some feedback - thank you.
  14. Has any collector able to provide a complete mintage figure for the whole patina collection. Are there any errors/ varieties found?