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Calling all Irish coin collectors!

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Looking over the NGC registry awards this year, I realized that I had overlooked a valuable platform to share my numismatic journey, the journals. This year I intend to change that by sharing my collecting journey throughout the year. Each month I will do my best to share either a new addition to the collection, grading results from NGC, or any tidbits of numismatic knowledge I acquire. 

With that said, this is my first journal entry since 2013! In this installment, I would like to share the newest addition to my collection. An 1806 Irish Farthing graded MS-66 BN by NGC. This is the highest graded example at NGC (tied with two others) or PCGS (2 in this grade). I have a soft spot for Irish copper coinage, but it can be challenging to track down nicely preserved specimens. Well circulated examples are abundant, and at times you can find uncirculated pieces for sale, but they are often marred by environmental damage. The holder is pretty scuffed, so I will need to send it in for a reholder. In part, this is what I plan to spend the $500 grading credit that accompanied the registry award I won this year. I am still in awe of NGC's generosity. 

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This particular example is a marked upgrade to my PCGS MS-64 example.  My newest addition is nothing short of stunning. If the dripping luster is not enough to entice your fancy, perhaps the wholly original neon blue toning will do the trick. I have an affinity for naturally blue-toned copper coinage. Of course, one must avoid chemically altered coins (e.g., MS-70) while on the hunt. Like most numismatic skills, this takes some time and a lot of practice. Luckily this example shows a natural toning progression one would expect to see on an original piece. 

The fact that this example is nicely toned, Irish, struck at the Soho Mint, and nearly pristine makes it a grand slam for me. It has earned a coveted spot in my “top shelf” box alongside other nicely blue-hued copper pieces such as the coin pictured below. 

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Out of curiosity, are there any other Irish coin collectors lurking on these boards? Or perhaps a fellow Soho Mint enthusiast? If you are neither, please consider sharing some of your numismatic “weaknesses”. What makes your wallet suddenly become a little thinner? 

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@Just Bob thank you! I have yet to figure out how to properly capture the color of toned copper. The pictures make this coin look much darker than it really is. 

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impressive n im not easily impressed....irish copper n bronze r very difficult to find pristine, partly due to the corrosive ocean salt environment that used to permeate everything, also there were few true irish collectors for many decades and preservation standards were a bit lax...yes i too am a devoted ireland coin collector...one of my most favorite areas of collecting....challenging n so many rare dates....missing one coin in my free state n republic collections.....again congrats on ur upgrade....

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Beautiful coins and you have a very impressive collection - even more so given the quality of the coins. I have had a long standing interest in Irish coins & history although as I started as a sixpence collector this tends to be silver (free state) rather than copper/bronze - the one exception is this token from 1846 as this appears to have been issued by my family which is a bit odd as most of the family is from around Cork!

I have spent the last year or so trying not to buy certain banknotes issued in Northern Ireland.xD

 

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thank u ColonialCoinsUK im assuming u looked at my registry sets ....the various voids i own, but just not nice enuf yet n by leaving out makes easier for me to check what im upgrading rather than go by memory, not what it used to be...i used to collect almost everything irish...at one time had a complete set of irish farthings hiberno-norse to decimal, but sold it years ago to my friend,  patrick finn before his untimely death, all except the siege farthings, they r in a custom set...never attempted the ormonde issues, was never knowledgable enuf bout those...never did tokens just too many of those...ditto currency...i decided back in 1977 couldnt collect it all n would just put my time effort n resources into the milled coinage of free state n republic, life long project as it turned out, most of the denomination sets r finest knowns...some of the free state issues r prohibitive to find as im sure u r aware....'43 florin has eluded me, neither of the two mint state examples have come on the market that im aware of, foolishly passed on a nice xf coin bout 25 years ago, have decided not to buy heavily damaged examples n do without rather than compromise...not very frequent do i get a chance any more to add to my sets, may have to expand my horizons a bit, did start buying free state proofs a few years back but not completeable as far as i can determine, n usually prohibitively priced...but challenges r good for the mind n soul.....

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10 hours ago, ColonialCoinsUK said:

Beautiful coins and you have a very impressive collection - even more so given the quality of the coins. I have had a long standing interest in Irish coins & history although as I started as a sixpence collector this tends to be silver (free state) rather than copper/bronze - the one exception is this token from 1846 as this appears to have been issued by my family which is a bit odd as most of the family is from around Cork!

I have spent the last year or so trying not to buy certain banknotes issued in Northern Ireland.xD

Thank you for the compliment, and congratulations on your journal award this year! Oddly enough, I got my start with mercury dimes, which evolved to large cents, which has permanently evolved to Irish and English copper. Once infected by the copper bug I never got over it. If I have learned anything from this hobby, it is that you never know what might catch your eye. The token itself is intriguing, but the added family connection brings it to a whole new level. Very cool, thank you for sharing! 

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15 hours ago, zadok said:

impressive n im not easily impressed....irish copper n bronze r very difficult to find pristine, partly due to the corrosive ocean salt environment that used to permeate everything, also there were few true irish collectors for many decades and preservation standards were a bit lax...yes i too am a devoted ireland coin collector...one of my most favorite areas of collecting....challenging n so many rare dates....missing one coin in my free state n republic collections.....again congrats on ur upgrade....

My Irish copper collection closely mimics my English pursuits, with a limited scope from the 17th to 19th centuries. I find the Soho pieces most intriguing and accessible Armstrong and Legg pieces are my next favorite era of Irish coppers. I briefly explored modern coinage, but I found myself more interested in the earlier coinage. Perhaps that will change for me some day. 

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Pristine coins and a top-notch collection! I look forward to your future posts. A guy in my coin club collects Irish coins but his are medieval coins. I photographed a few of his coins for him and for conversation pieces I'll post them here.

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2 hours ago, gherrmann44 said:

Pristine coins and a top-notch collection! I look forward to your future posts. A guy in my coin club collects Irish coins but his are medieval coins. I photographed a few of his coins for him and for conversation pieces I'll post them here.

I appreciate the sentiment! You are much more skilled at photographing silver than I am. If I had more time and money, I would likely broaden my horizons a bit, but I have more than enough to handle as it is. Thank you for sharing! 

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Welcome to the Journals.  Those of us that have been here before had to adjust to a rather jarring change that the new format brought about. Best wishes on documenting your passion here.

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The coin has a rooster or some kind of bird on it kind of fancy reverse. I don't have a picture of the reverse but if you need one I will attempt to take one.

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CorrI have no idea why my pictures never load right. My intentions were but technology for me is not very good. Please accept my apologies. 

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On 1/16/2021 at 11:30 AM, Ray, USMC said:

The coin has a rooster or some kind of bird on it kind of fancy reverse. I don't have a picture of the reverse but if you need one I will attempt to take one.

I am not able to see the picture that you uploaded, but maybe I can help nonetheless. Below are images of an Irish Penny and Farthing that you can use to compare with your coin to identify it. 

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The top picture is exactly what I have only the date is 1942 and very good but not as good as the one in the top photo although it is darker but great detail. Do you collect these ? Is this a good date or very common. I have 5 or 6 more that appear to be silver and go from small to large with the reverses of a whale a deer I think and other wildlife if you like I can give you the dates and denomination with each creature on them. The obverses are all the same as your top picture. I have many foreign coin which I do not collect and have no idea about. I am going to try to find someone to help me learn to post pictures. I have tried twice and it hasn't worked for me yet. Thank you for your kind help.The 1942 is the only copper one. The others appear silver and some are the size of Morgan dollars.  

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The obverse on the 1942 has the date above the flat part of the picture. the reverse is the same and is similar in size to a us half dollar. The others (hope I read these right) 1950 3d ruel , 1959 6d ruel,1954 1s scIwns, 1940 2s floren and a 1941 2s6d coroin I probably have the letters off as I am not sure the are English letters. Are these Irish coins as well?

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yes the coins u r describing r all irish coins of the ireland republic era pre decimal....this is commonly referred to as the barnyard series having domestic farm animals n a bird, salmon, rabbit, dog added in for good measure....it is an 8 coin series, not all 8 were issued for all years....the denominations were farthing, half pence, pence, 3 pence, 6 pence, shilling, florin n half crown...none of those u listed have great value...the 1940 n 1941 coins have silver value....u can obtain more information simply by searching on the internet under ireland barnyard series or ireland coins....

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Mine are mostly modern Euro coins. I like the style of the post modern, sometime I'll have to look into these coin.

UPDATE: I just realized I uploaded the wrong coin. I also have a gold one of Kennedy from Ireland as well.

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4 hours ago, zadok said:

yes the coins u r describing r all irish coins of the ireland republic era pre decimal....this is commonly referred to as the barnyard series having domestic farm animals n a bird, salmon, rabbit, dog added in for good measure....it is an 8 coin series, not all 8 were issued for all years....the denominations were farthing, half pence, pence, 3 pence, 6 pence, shilling, florin n half crown...none of those u listed have great value...the 1940 n 1941 coins have silver value....u can obtain more information simply by searching on the internet under ireland barnyard series or ireland coins....

Thank you so much for your help. I was not looking for value only Identification. For a long time I have been putting coins I inherit or are a part of estate lots and such in flips in a binder. Some dating back to this early 1800. Most I don't know what country they belong to. Thanks for helping me out . So many good people on this forum.

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17 hours ago, Ray, USMC said:

The obverse on the 1942 has the date above the flat part of the picture. the reverse is the same and is similar in size to a us half dollar. The others (hope I read these right) 1950 3d ruel , 1959 6d ruel,1954 1s scIwns, 1940 2s floren and a 1941 2s6d coroin I probably have the letters off as I am not sure the are English letters. Are these Irish coins as well?

It looks like your question has already been answered, but here are a few helpful links for your coins. 

1942 Penny

1950 3 Pence

1959 6 Pence

1954 Shilling

1940 Florin

1941 1/2 Crown

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