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MIKE BYRNE

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Hi everyone. I new here. So I just learned about the awards. I have received many in my lifetime but never for journals or sets. You see I'm collector not a dealer. I don't sell any of my coins ,tokens,or medals. There for my kids. I chose non competitive  sets. So that leaves.me out. One thing I don't understand do we collect the coins we like it are we now doing it for an awards.? I'm confused that's not hard for me. But I think it's more that we collect because we enjoy it it's in our blood and it's fun. I have learned history because of the research and I found everyone tells a story. I don't know the rules and at this point I don't think I want to. I know some collectors who have great collections and great sets. I do I have been collecting for twenty five years and enjoyed it all. Now this. A contest between collectors. What about this  someone that is in  non competitive section. Can not there sets be just as nice as those  competing.? There in lies the problem. If your going to put us against each other then every worthwhile set.should be involved. Personally I don't see the differance. So we buy coins because we like them or they help you win something.? Well I think it's a good idea. I think that there are friends of mine who have won. They should of.  My friend Gary has some.wonderful coins but didn't collect them to win something. He collected them because he loved the beauty of them. Those who have collected coins they love for a lifetime won't win. It's not a set it's a collection. Well I leave it at this. God Luck to all of you. I know.there are nice sets out there and i hope the best sets win. So go to it and may the best man or woman win. Pat

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While it is a "competition," the awards are more about recognizing contribution to the community and encouraging participation - particularly the big overall awards. Those go to well researched, well presented sets that add something unique and fun to the registry community.

The journal awards were never  a competition to me,  but were 100% about recognizing contribution to the community and sharing love of the hobby. They were only a competition in so far as 3 people got them and some years we had 70-80 participating authors. That said, the awards announcement for 2019 makes no reference to the journal awards. NGC does review and change the awards as they see fit and it would appear that 2018 was the 14th (?) and final year of the journal awards.

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19 hours ago, Revenant said:

While it is a "competition," the awards are more about recognizing contribution to the community and encouraging participation - particularly the big overall awards. Those go to well researched, well presented sets that add something unique and fun to the registry community.

The journal awards were never  a competition to me,  but were 100% about recognizing contribution to the community and sharing love of the hobby. They were only a competition in so far as 3 people got them and some years we had 70-80 participating authors. That said, the awards announcement for 2019 makes no reference to the journal awards. NGC does review and change the awards as they see fit and it would appear that 2018 was the 14th (?) and final year of the journal awards.

Thanks like I said I'm not involved . I did not known The public read them. As I said I wish them all well. It's to bad everyone can't win. We are a community of collectors. I didn't collect coins to win things but that's what they do. So i Will say thank you for your comment and good luck to those involved. I just collect my coins Happy Easter Mike

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Maybe I could answer some of your questions, but it is very difficult to understand what you have written. Do you have some specific question about competitive set awards or custom set awards or journal awards?

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No I dont. I'm in non competitive I did not want be involved . I believe these are for sets that people can aford.a set And spent allot of time putting them together. I have sets like that but my biggest accomplishment was my P.Kempson set from 1797. I believe it's the only complete set put together that was done by Kempson. A great die sinker and  designer. It's 223 years old. All MS from 63 to 65. Some red brown some P.L.. Took five years to find five tokens all rare. But there tokens. And in the coin world don't look at them as coinage but they were. They saved a country from bankruptcy but there only thing

 

is that some.cost allot of money. One took two years to find. So because there just tokens and then only known set I left them out. I don't think there eligible. Thanks for your help. Mike

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32 minutes ago, MIKE BYRNE said:

 

is that some.cost allot of money. One took two years to find. So because there just tokens and then only known set I left them out. I don't think there eligible. Thanks for your help. Mike

You could make a signature set for them and those are elligible for some awards.

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IMHO, a few folks here are highly competitive and have the financial means to put together spectacular award winning sets, nothing wrong with that.  Most folks here do it for the love of the hobby, or the specific item they have collected.  A good example of the latter is Gary's Laura Gardin Fraser Custom Set.  Gary did his set for love of the hobby and his subject, the fact he poured so much research and effort into his set is justifiably rewarded.  A set like his, educates and amazes me at the same time, and ultimately, as Revenant stated  "While it is a "competition," the awards are more about recognizing contribution to the community and encouraging participation - particularly the big overall awards. Those go to well researched, well presented sets that add something unique and fun to the registry community".

I give my personal award to Gary's Laura Gardin Fraser set, It is the best set I have ever seen. 

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Registry sets can be fun however like most things in life balance and proportion are very important.  I have several registry sets but only two (maybe three) have ever won awards and that's perfectly ok with me.  I cannot afford to play in the deep end of the pool on most of my sets, only my small year sets can compete and I collect those because of the timeframe of history and what was happening in history at that time interests me.  Collect what you want, participate in the registry if you want, compete at the highest level if you have the means and the desire to, it's up to each individual to decide what is important and let that decision drive the focus.  I know many collectors that prefer to collect; and have amazing collections of; circulated coins in the XF to F range that could never win a registry award for highest graded but can compete in other areas because the owners have so much information and photos included into the set and coin descriptions.  It is a hobby so enjoy.

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19 hours ago, Mokiechan said:

IMHO, a few folks here are highly competitive and have the financial means to put together spectacular award winning sets, nothing wrong with that.  Most folks here do it for the love of the hobby, or the specific item they have collected.  A good example of the latter is Gary's Laura Gardin Fraser Custom Set.  Gary did his set for love of the hobby and his subject, the fact he poured so much research and effort into his set is justifiably rewarded.  A set like his, educates and amazes me at the same time, and ultimately, as Revenant stated  "While it is a "competition," the awards are more about recognizing contribution to the community and encouraging participation - particularly the big overall awards. Those go to well researched, well presented sets that add something unique and fun to the registry community".

I give my personal award to Gary's Laura Gardin Fraser set, It is the best set I have ever seen. 

Thank you my friend. I hold  nothing about those who do well. I say congratulations they have the means I would do the same. I did mention Gary in my journal. His work on L. G. F. is spectacular. I have told him that in every comment. Himself and I put sets together for the love of the hobby. He told me I can still win with the Coventry set. I didn't understand. But five years if you read my introduction it was for the love of the hobby. I also studied Coventry tokens and all my time was in them. I love that set. No one yet in six years has said there is another completed set . My research was constant. You weren't there when I started it. A dealer sent me a book. I fell in love with the detail the history. Five years and two to find one. Everyone helped me. When I was down they said don't give up. And i did not. There are plenty of stories like mine I respect every one and every collector. Thanks for your comment it's always welcome. Mike

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On 4/22/2019 at 8:12 AM, Revenant said:

You could make a signature set for them and those are elligible for some awards.

I have sets I know would win. The point being I'm old very sick and I did it for the hobby. The Coventry set unsaid if and I mean if I ever finished it I would donate to the hobby. To show all collectors if I can do it you can. And incompetent never give up. Thanks Mike

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19 hours ago, Coinbuf said:

Registry sets can be fun however like most things in life balance and proportion are very important.  I have several registry sets but only two (maybe three) have ever won awards and that's perfectly ok with me.  I cannot afford to play in the deep end of the pool on most of my sets, only my small year sets can compete and I collect those because of the timeframe of history and what was happening in history at that time interests me.  Collect what you want, participate in the registry if you want, compete at the highest level if you have the means and the desire to, it's up to each individual to decide what is important and let that decision drive the focus.  I know many collectors that prefer to collect; and have amazing collections of; circulated coins in the XF to F range that could never win a registry award for highest graded but can compete in other areas because the owners have so much information and photos included into the set and coin descriptions.  It is a hobby so enjoy.

Thank you. I put a set together it took five years. It's 223 years old and There is 19 in the set. Yes some are very expensive. But I did it out of my love of collecting. It took Five years because there so old. Still haven't found another set raw or slabed it was strengths famished die  sinker. P. Kemoson. One of the masters of the age. All done because I love coins and tokens. All are MS.Think about it 223 years old all MS. It's up on the Registry. Thanks for your comment. Mike

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I think that there are as many reasons to do something as there are different people in the world. For some people, Registry Sets are something competitive, for others they're a way to display and share their coins, still others do so because Registry collecting adds something other than one of those things to their pursuit of the hobby.  I can say for myself that when it was something I was more actively pursuing, it was never really about competition with others.  It was all about proving to myself that I could win a major award here, which I did twice.  Since then, Registry collecting has lost its luster for me because I've achieved the goal that I set out to accomplish with it and my current collecting pursuits are being pursued outside of the Registry.  But I think how to pursue Registry collecting, or whether to even pursue it at all, is dependent on many variables that each individual has to weigh out for themselves, just as participation in this hobby or any hobby.

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One thing I don't understand do we collect the coins we like it are we now doing it for an awards.? I'm confused that's not hard for me.

I look at the Registry as a place where my Finest Coins that I want others to know about all get together and compete. 

Having coins among the Finest Known is an AMAZING thrill...lower the mintage or number known adds to the excitement, for me. 

I never competed before but I always went after the very best I could afford...and then some. 

I am into my own box of 20 competition right now...

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Can not there sets be just as nice as those  competing.

 

yes, many chose not to compete and have nicer coins...

So we buy coins because we like them or they help you win something.?

I would imagine you would have to somewhat like coins to be involved. It depends on personalities, some won't sacrifice quality and others don't care..

Right now you can win prizes for submission to the grading network...and the prestigious awards...

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On 4/26/2019 at 10:59 AM, Numismatic, A.A.S. said:

Can not there sets be just as nice as those  competing.

 

yes, many chose not to compete and have nicer coins...

So we buy coins because we like them or they help you win something.?

I would imagine you would have to somewhat like coins to be involved. It depends on personalities, some won't sacrifice quality and others don't care..

Right now you can win prizes for submission to the grading network...and the prestigious awards...

There are definitely very nice sets being built outside of the Registry.  One area where I think that this is definitely widespread is among ancients.  I myself have decided to stop Registry collecting but that certainly doesn't mean that I'm buying coins of lesser quality because of it.  I'm still buying the best I can find and afford.....here's just one of example of some very nice coins that I've purchased recently that aren't going anywhere near a grading service.

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On 4/22/2019 at 8:12 AM, Revenant said:

You could make a signature set for them and those are elligible for some awards.

What's a signature set I will be new for a while. Thanks Mike

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On 4/22/2019 at 11:13 AM, Coinbuf said:

Registry sets can be fun however like most things in life balance and proportion are very important.  I have several registry sets but only two (maybe three) have ever won awards and that's perfectly ok with me.  I cannot afford to play in the deep end of the pool on most of my sets, only my small year sets can compete and I collect those because of the timeframe of history and what was happening in history at that time interests me.  Collect what you want, participate in the registry if you want, compete at the highest level if you have the means and the desire to, it's up to each individual to decide what is important and let that decision drive the focus.  I know many collectors that prefer to collect; and have amazing collections of; circulated coins in the XF to F range that could never win a registry award for highest graded but can compete in other areas because the owners have so much information and photos included into the set and coin descriptions.  It is a hobby so enjoy.

it sounds like you collect like me. I have been collecting 25 years. This Coventry set some. sold for £600. That's allot in British money. Here they sell for more. But there very very hard to find. I stopped collecting coins and after five years they were will out ther. Meanwhile I had saved enough to go after This rare set. Only 19 beautiful tokens.. I'm very proud of this set donated it the hobby and the kids everyone. I wanted to show it I can do this anyone can. The secret budget. That's it stick to a budget and you will finish that set. My motto. Never give up. Thanks. Miks

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 4/22/2019 at 1:03 AM, jgenn said:

Maybe I could answer some of your questions, but it is very difficult to understand what you have written. Do you have some specific question about competitive set awards or custom set awards or journal awards?

My friend Gary said and he's won here that my Coventry Token set could win. If I'm in non competitive how is that oossible? Thanks Mike

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On 4/26/2019 at 10:59 AM, Numismatic, A.A.S. said:

Can not there sets be just as nice as those  competing.

 

yes, many chose not to compete and have nicer coins...

So we buy coins because we like them or they help you win something.?

I would imagine you would have to somewhat like coins to be involved. It depends on personalities, some won't sacrifice quality and others don't care..

Right now you can win prizes for submission to the grading network...and the prestigious awards...

Maybe I wasn't clear. I'm new here and I don't understand that we collect coins we like. Now I have been collecting for twenty five years  I'm older than most. I put together a set very rare 19 tokens 223 years old all MS red brown and P.L.. What I was trying to say those better if than allot of us can put great sets together. That's fine if I could I would do the same. There is nothing wrong with that. I don't understand that we can win prizes for collecting coins we like. So am I buying to win or because I like a certain set. That's all. Thanks Mike

 

 

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10 hours ago, MIKE BYRNE said:

What's a signature set I will be new for a while. Thanks Mike

Non-competitive sets where you get pretty much total control over what goes in it, how big / small it is, what the theme / message / etc is.

I'm including the screen caps to show you where to go to make one but this set I'm using hasn't been played with in 10 years and is a terrible example. lol 

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On 4/27/2019 at 6:39 PM, Mohawk said:

There are definitely very nice sets being built outside of the Registry.  One area where I think that this is definitely widespread is among ancients.  I myself have decided to stop Registry collecting but that certainly doesn't mean that I'm buying coins of lesser quality because of it.  I'm still buying the best I can find and afford.....here's just one of example of some very nice coins that I've purchased recently that aren't going anywhere near a grading service.

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Good characteristics and detail strike on that Ancient. Planchet shows some lamination but from strike or something...I like your coin.

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4 minutes ago, Numismatic, A.A.S. said:

Good characteristics and detail strike on that Ancient. Planchet shows some lamination but from strike or something...I like your coin.

Thanks!  She's one of my newest additions and one of my favorites.....I love Faustina the Younger's coins.  They're some of the most beautiful Roman coins and they're really accessible.  She's one of the most common empresses to find coins from.....which is likely because she was no shrinking violet.  She definitely shared the power with her husband Marcus Aurelius.  But that doesn't mean that finding quality pieces isn't a challenge.  My new Faustina the Younger project is a real labor of love and I'm striving for quality, so thank you so much for the compliment! It means a lot!

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On 4/28/2019 at 6:11 AM, MIKE BYRNE said:

Maybe I wasn't clear. I'm new here and I don't understand that we collect coins we like. Now I have been collecting for twenty five years  I'm older than most. I put together a set very rare 19 tokens 223 years old all MS red brown and P.L.. What I was trying to say those better if than allot of us can put great sets together. That's fine if I could I would do the same. There is nothing wrong with that. I don't understand that we can win prizes for collecting coins we like. So am I buying to win or because I like a certain set. That's all. Thanks Mike

 

 

The coins I buy and another buys the same, etc...the competition for the best coin that everyone wants...those with the Funds or Equivalent trade get the PRIZE. They Win they're Coin....it's just a competitive nature and if by means you mean we collect what we like and others do also then the rating system (points) come into play and build the rankings....you buy to win or because it's worth points or both reasons....I know many who won't compete but would score very high if entered...At 25 years collecting you said, I think you would have an un alienable feeling for certain reasons go round the coin market as it does....

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4 minutes ago, Mohawk said:

Thanks!  She's one of my newest additions and one of my favorites.....I love Faustina the Younger's coins.  They're some of the most beautiful Roman coins and they're really accessible.  She's one of the most common empresses to find coins from.....which is likely because she was no shrinking violet.  She definitely shared the power with her husband Marcus Aurelius.  But that doesn't mean that finding quality pieces isn't a challenge.  My new Faustina the Younger project is a real labor of love and I'm striving for quality, so thank you so much for the compliment! It means a lot!

Interesting, I've seen some pretty nice ones before but I couldn't remember her name. It looks like a larger or heavier piece but I could be wrong.

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1 minute ago, Numismatic, A.A.S. said:

Interesting, I've seen some pretty nice ones before but I couldn't remember her name. It looks like a larger or heavier piece but I could be wrong.

Yep.  It's Faustina the Younger......from my experience, she's responsible for a lot of Roman eye candy :).  The coin itself is a silver denarius, roughly the size of a US or Canadian dime but the high relief and the other aspects of the dies and striking make it look like it could be a larger coin.  In addition to being absolutely gorgeous, most of Faustina's coins seem to have been very well made.

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1 minute ago, Mohawk said:

Yep.  It's Faustina the Younger......from my experience, she's responsible for a lot of Roman eye candy :).  The coin itself is a silver denarius, roughly the size of a US or Canadian dime but the high relief and the other aspects of the dies and striking make it look like it could be a larger coin.  In addition to being absolutely gorgeous, most of Faustina's coins seem to have been very well made.

Good deal...I think I'm gonna look into her...maybe acquire a lower grade specimen and study it, then I'll respect the better coin more when I upgrade having learned something I hope, Ancients is not my strong point.  I already have 7 coins I'm serious about, just haven't prioritized it yet....

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