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Conder Tokens of Great Britain

Entry posted by MIKE BYRNE · - 202 views

Hi everyone. Mike here just starting out on the Registry Site after twenty five years of collecting. Now I will write about myself later. This journal is about Conder tokens. Many have never heard of them. I didn't for years. I was searching one day and came across a token two big for a civil war token and bigger. It caught my eye. In the ANA we say collect what you like. Some collect to flip. Some collect to compete I'm just a regular collector with a very diverse set. This token the workmanship is what caught my eye and the wonderful detail. I mean I could count the bricks and windows. The date was in 1797! I said no not with this much detail but It was class all the way. It was telling me to buy me.. So I collected some many had all sorts of designs. A seller sent me a book they were expensive. I went through it ever town in England had tokens. Many great die sinkers manufacturers and designers. Then I saw it P.Kempson Coventry Tokens. I was  sold. 

 Now I looked there were nineteen tokens to the set. He had famous buildings spires , gates to protect the town, famous church's. Some built in the thirteen hundreds and some still standing today. I had to put this set together. Now I'm disabled how was I going to use this? No shows, no dealers. Couldn't travel. I found a seller of these Conder tokens on a site and contacted him. Sure i will give you a hand. I didn't know what to think but his record was perfect and had an auction every week. Now these tokens were made to help Britain avoid bankruptcy. They had the war for independence, a war with France ,a civil war, and the war of 1812. 

People had these made to pay employees to feed them and there children buy clothes. They were made from a half penny to a penny. Many had edge writing telling you were you could redeem these for goods. Now depending on the edge writing and mintage, these were broken down two three category three R's  were the rarest two still rare and one also rare. Then you had scarce and common. But I wanted this set. I contacted Merfyn Williams the gentleman who would help me. I said a have about seven. I'm into about my second yeat. He told.me Mike this will be hard and take time. I don't know if anyone who completed one.

 These tokens made by P.Kempson were made for other collectors people knew of his reputation for detail and work ethic. Now more on the tokens. Some will dispute the date when these were first made. Was It the 1760's or later!? I found Some in the 1750's. Very few. Some of the experts said some before that. These were private tokens. The bulk came from the 1760's on . Some simple some very intense in there design. I know I'm all over but there is just so much. Back to the set. I found one of the set here in the states. I searched hundreds of sites and auctions ,nothing. If Merfyn found one he would let me know how all of these if they were to be found were auctions. It took five years and two years looking for one. I was waving the huge flag but friends from the ANA like John Cava And World Coin Nut who also looked for me would pick me up. Finally after two years Merfyn sent an email. I found it. Now Conder collectors don't believe in grades or slabs I don't either but the previously eighteen were all MS red brown and even a proof like. So  I sent it in MS 64. It was over. I still can't find a complete set but mine is up. I dedicated it to all the young kids and regular collectors like myself . Never give up. If you like  a set go for it. If you have been blessed no set is impossible. If your middle class it's easier. Young well wait till you have a good job stay in school and collect on a budget. I donated it to the hobby. Remember i was told many times no way it's impossible. It's 222 years old and the mintage   was low. It didn't stop me. I wanted to leave something special to my kids and thanks to many people who kept me going and Merfyn who else could find them he lived were they made them but wouldn't dare try it. So take a peek at the impossible set. To old some missing not enough made. The odds were not in my favor  by famous long shot me but I'm a coin collector we don't give up. It's a great hobby with good people. So there you have a taste of Conder tokens yes I was all over but so.we're they. The fun is in the hunt. Enjoy and never give up you may regret it someday. Take care more To follow Mike


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Mike,

Great write up..... And, your final comments can also relate to most any goal in life--take up the challenge, stick with it and in the end it will be extremely rewarding not just personal but for family and friends.   Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

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Mike

Glad to see you posting over here! I have followed you for much of this journey on the ANA's blog and you have assembled quite a collection of Conders! Congratulations, and good job on the perseverance it took to complete your collection!

Gary (Coinsbygary)

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Great job Mike. I'm very happy to see you here. Our gain and the ANA's loss. Fantastic story. Everyone needs to look at his custom set. Thanks Mike.

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Great set, tokens are very popular here in the UK although there are very few uncirculated examples available and even less graded ones.

Whilst my cousin was researching the family tree we found that my ancestors had released three types of tokens in the early 1800's as part of their businesses - so far I have only managed to find one and as you say 'the fun is the hunt' and I do check every auction listing to see if the other two are ever going to make an appearance!

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22 hours ago, gherrmann44 said:

Mike

Glad to see you posting over here! I have followed you for much of this journey on the ANA's blog and you have assembled quite a collection of Conders! Congratulations, and good job on the perseverance it took to complete your collection!

Gary (Coinsbygary)

Thanks for your  support I always appreciated it. I know this is the site to be on. But the ANA have me my start. I'm glad I'm here. Thanks

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23 hours ago, Jack Robinson11 said:

Mike,

Great write up..... And, your final comments can also relate to most any goal in life--take up the challenge, stick with it and in the end it will be extremely rewarding not just personal but for family and friends.   Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

I'm so sorry it took me so long to get back to you. Setting up the set and finally getting up a journal was an experience. Thank you for your kind words. I will be making more. I should of been here along time ago. But that set took five years and I would try again tomorrow. Thanks very much. Mike.

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17 hours ago, longstrider said:

Great job Mike. I'm very happy to see you here. Our gain and the ANA's loss. Fantastic story. Everyone needs to look at his custom set. Thanks Mike.

Thank you my friend and your inspiration in this set. A one of a kind. I'm waiting and hoping someone else did the same and put this set together Thanks 

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14 hours ago, Just Bob said:

I just went and took a peek.Great looking set! :applause:

Thanks Just Bob. You don't know what that comment means after putting that set together. We thought some were gone.especially the last intensify took two years. So thanks there will be more going up once I learn how. Mike

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14 hours ago, ColonialCoinsUK said:

Great set, tokens are very popular here in the UK although there are very few uncirculated examples available and even less graded ones.

Whilst my cousin was researching the family tree we found that my ancestors had released three types of tokens in the early 1800's as part of their businesses - so far I have only managed to find one and as you say 'the fun is the hunt' and I do check every auction listing to see if the other two are ever going to make an appearance!

I hope.you find them. I found a Leaden token in the British Museum of one of my relatives who had a store in Ireland. Dublin. It gives her name and the address in the book. So I hope.you have the same success. By the way it you read my intro to the set they were All bought in England at auctions that's were the quality is. I bought all of them raw and had them protected by NGC. A set like that once in a lifetime deserve it all MS.Thanks and never give up

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I am thrilled what you told  me. You went to a  school at one of the buildings still standing. It must be beautiful there In Coventry. I never give out any personal info. It's a pleasure to meet you I hope we continue. To think it was sold. That's the way it hapoens. Mine will stay in the family. Simply because there beautiful and I still say until someone shows me another set this is it. Five years. One auctioneer said it was ten years since he was one. Mike

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Mike, That is crazy that someone that went to a school of one of your tokens saw this and contacted you. Making friends wherever you go in Tokens. Very well done.

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But I'm a coin collector...we don't give up....

Excellent truth and I SALUTE you Friend....Congrats and your a very honorable person...gifting to the hobby....:angel:

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Well I have been collecting coins tokens medals for twenty-five years. Thank you for your comment. We have a saying collect what you like. I heard that in the ANA and when I first started collecting from my mentor. I love most anything to do with this great hobby. I like challenges finding this coin ot that one. I also learned to diversify. Collect anything that catches your eye. This set was a challenge five years. Most experts believe it's the only existing set. I also have sets of coins.. So I just wanted you to know I don't only collect tokens I'm a coin collector token collect  and medal collector  and I love them all because everyone tells a story they all have history that's how I learn. Research. Thanks again for your nice comment I appreciate it I actually appreciate all of them. Take care Mike.

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