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Washingtons

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recently acquired set of 1932 - 1964 Washington Quarters. seller stated that set was "informally graded by an independent third party and ranges are from MS-60 to MS-65." although I doubt the '36-D is MS.

here's some pics made with digital point n shoot, so forgive the quality. to be clear, each obverse is followed by same coin's reverse.

considering grading. opinions (especially of Washington collectors) are welcome. be kind.

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Cant tell from your photos, but the mint mark on the 36D concerns me a bit.  Brilliant coin with all that gunk around the mint mark is screaming to me that it was added.  Double check really close!  Looks like it might have an old cleaning from the images too.  Same thing on the 35D in terms of cleaning.

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I agree with winndoc looks like the D on the 1936 has been added Both 32's and the 34-d look good and original.

  Just my openion

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Well......Silver Washingtons have never really been an interest of mine as I am not interested in U.S. Classics much, so I can't help with anything but the 1936-D......I've seen added mintmarks before, and that mintmark looks sketchy.....I'd stay away from that one if I were you.  Not worth the risk.

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The black around the 36-D mintmark may just be an unfortunate coincidence also as those little dark spots pop up randomly on 80 year old coins ( on Indian Cents they are common and requires a lot of time and discipline to build a set with none) also have seen those black dots pretty commonly on SLQ's.

Don't think anyone would go to the time and effort to add a "D" on an MS63 or below non-scarce coin that can be found for $50 or less.

The 32-S is solid and your 32-D could go either way since the high points on the obverse appear to have the very slightest "slider" hints but the reverse does not have patina breaks or flat/dull coloring on the top of the wings or eagle's breast--I'd guess it as a 62...........

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I noticed the black around the mintmark when I posted. never thought about mintmark might have been added. but I like jackson64's logic...why add to low grade coin? except I think it's worth more than $50, isn't it? even a MS50 goes for above $200 (NGC price guide). but the more I look at the more I think it won't grade above that maybe XF? The '36-D looks to be the most worn coin of the set it appears, maybe it was cleaned :(

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Remember that price guides are just what their name states: guides. A coin is only worth what someone is willing to pay, and the best source of current value is usually prices realized in recent auctions. Check Ebay, Heritage, and/or Great Collections for current "worth."

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I hear ya but I thought that NGC basically tracked the realized prices from the various auction houses to come up with prices in their guide?? anyway, price wasn't supposed to be point of discussion. it was the D mark on '36. my comment on value was response to jackson64's comment. i'm not selling it (unless I sell the whole set together) i'm trying to figure out if it's worth getting graded and now that it's been pointed out that the mintmark might be added, well...

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I'm considering sending in a batch of 1964-d uncirculated washingtons.  Does anyone know if I create an invoice for ngc, can I simply pay the variety plus attribution fee without knowing the variety?  Will NGC determine the best attribution if I pay the fee without providing the attribution number?

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Did a little research for you--found something peculiar-- most of the 1936-D coins I looked at with some circulation seem to have the dark area around the D mintmark. Zooming in very close, it appears as if the MM was stamped a bit hard on the die and has left a slight concavity around the "D" which seems to fill with residue/oils/dirt etc....

Most 1936-D's on Ebay have asking prices of about $60 for XF quality ( jumps to $150 ask for a nice AU) but the ones actually selling at auction on ebay are going around $35 in XF...

Here's some pics showing the strange, repeat occurance of "the dirty D"

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2 hours ago, jackson64 said:

Did a little research for you--found something peculiar-- most of the 1936-D coins I looked at with some circulation seem to have the dark area around the D mintmark. Zooming in very close, it appears as if the MM was stamped a bit hard on the die and has left a slight concavity around the "D" which seems to fill with residue/oils/dirt etc....

Most 1936-D's on Ebay have asking prices of about $60 for XF quality ( jumps to $150 ask for a nice AU) but the ones actually selling at auction on ebay are going around $35 in XF...

Here's some pics showing the strange, repeat occurance of "the dirty D"

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That is interesting Jackson.  As I said before, I'm not a collector or seller of classic US, but I found that mintmark to be a bit suspect......however, your research is compelling and I see that Joe may be ok with that 1936-D.  As for someone taking the time to add mintmarks to a coin that is in the value range of the 1936-D, you'd be surprised.  I worked a coin shop for a while and while what I did was mostly moderns there, we saw mintmarks added to low grade, lower value coins, including a 1936-D Washington.  It does happen.  We even saw a d mintmark added to a 1912 Liberty nickel......someone actually took the time to fake a VG 1912-D Liberty Nickel!  We also heard about a fake 1931-D Lincoln Cent, though this one was a high grade piece......makes you wonder why they didn't just go for the S, but maybe they thought it'd be easier to pass a 1931-D......I don't know.  But it was pretty wild to see and hear about!

~Tom

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You know Tom, I hadn't considered that someone might go to the extreme of adding a MM for the sake of filling a pesky hole in their own album collection. Maybe there was never any intent to re-sell or defraud anyone but just trying to fool themselves ( or anyone they might show their collection to)--- either way, a coin microscope, or even my 50x zoom Sony Cybershot hx300 would certainly be able to create a full-screen, clear image and see if the D was added or has smooth flowing metal around it's base...

Would have loved to have worked at a coin shop in my youth--or even part-time when I retire in 20 years or so. Alas, I think the brick and mortar coin shoppes are passing ( unless they just use it as a face for an online business.)

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On ‎8‎/‎27‎/‎2018 at 6:49 PM, jackson64 said:

Did a little research for you--found something peculiar-- most of the 1936-D coins I looked at with some circulation seem to have the dark area around the D mintmark. Zooming in very close, it appears as if the MM was stamped a bit hard on the die and has left a slight concavity around the "D" which seems to fill with residue/oils/dirt etc....

Most 1936-D's on Ebay have asking prices of about $60 for XF quality ( jumps to $150 ask for a nice AU) but the ones actually selling at auction on ebay are going around $35 in XF...

Here's some pics showing the strange, repeat occurance of "the dirty D"

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jackson64...you're research is much appreciated! this coin is just 1 from a 1932-1964 set, displayed in 2 capital plastics holders. It is a great looking set (almost as good as the auctioneer stated), but doesn't seem to be the kind that someone would have included an altered coin. I REALLY wanted it for the '32s so I said wtf, plus I like silver too. I'm really trying to get thoughts on whether or not to grade...I'm not particularly concerned about the actual grade, but also not wanting to send in low grade/low score coins and don't want to send or get sent back coins that are details graded or otherwise.

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On ‎8‎/‎28‎/‎2018 at 7:00 PM, jackson64 said:

You know Tom, I hadn't considered that someone might go to the extreme of adding a MM for the sake of filling a pesky hole in their own album collection. Maybe there was never any intent to re-sell or defraud anyone but just trying to fool themselves ( or anyone they might show their collection to)--- either way, a coin microscope, or even my 50x zoom Sony Cybershot hx300 would certainly be able to create a full-screen, clear image and see if the D was added or has smooth flowing metal around it's base...

Would have loved to have worked at a coin shop in my youth--or even part-time when I retire in 20 years or so. Alas, I think the brick and mortar coin shoppes are passing ( unless they just use it as a face for an online business.)

Hi Jackson,

Sorry I just found this, but you are absolutely right......there are obviously people out there that have done just such a thing......how else can you explain a faked 1912-D Liberty Nickel in VG?  It's strange, but it's something that seems to have either happened or currently is happening.

As for the coin shop, it was an experience!  Also, some good news on the brick and mortar front, my local shop (not the one I worked in, my local shop now is a newer shop) is doing absolutely great!  It's a great place, usually staffed by the owner's son and a friend of his....they're great guys, fun to talk to and they LOVE coins!!  They do a great business and are thriving.  Some brick and mortars may be fading away, but my favorite shop will be here for many years to come!

~Tom

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