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Hi everyone just to let you know I don't have a clue on what I doing but I will Give it a shot. About five years ago I bought what was called a Conder token. The seller was very nice and actually sent me a book to help me. Coder tokens come from England and were made during the 18th century. I found a particularly great die sinker and designer named P. Kempson. He had two sets , one of England's buildings and one on Coventry England. He decided that he would do a set of 19 tokens. Now they say half penny or penny in the England set. They were made for collectors. They new these were special so did Kempson. People who collected them took excellent care of them. In my set they are all MS ,some red  brown one Proof Like.. Now these go back to 1797. They didn't have the tools they have today. Yet you can count every brick every window and cobblestone in the street. Some of these buildings still stand today and were built long before 1797. Some were built in the 1300's and before.Now some were made allot earlier to sustain regular life. England had gone thru three wars. Ours for independence one with the French and there revolution.. The monarch would not realize silver or gold. They were near bankrupcy. So farmers and store owners had these copper tokens made to pay workers so people could by food and clothing. Like our tokens from the civil war. Many were used extensively. But the great die sinkers were collected for there workmanship.. Now.I believe this is the first step no clue were to go next. I could go on for hours but I think you get the picture of shark will be putting up. I hope you enjoy them five years is a long time to put a set together. Two years to find one. But my friends at the ANA helped out by looking. They looked on line hundreds of sights and every major show in the U.S. Nothing. I thought of throwing in the towel many times. I had made deals with the big sellers auction houses. Nothing. The answer was three this and miles away. That's were I found a gentleman named Merfyn . He would see one tell me I would bid and win. Never lost one. Finally it was completed in December of last year. I felt so happy and such a release of pressure I couldn't believe it. They are all graded between MS 63  to MS 65. I have bored you enough there are books on the and I don't feel like.writing one if there are questions I don't know but if there are I will try and answers them. Thanks.Mike

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British Tokens of The 18th Century.

Hi fellow collectors. Well some.of you are saying there he goes again with these tokens. There is a reason for this. Like myself I know.many of you have never heard of these. Now.They made thousands of these. Some with large mintages some.with very low. By the way they were measured by ton. Not as individual tokens. There is a token I just read about only sixteen were made. The current bid is over a thousand but will go hover before the auction.. Now I just put up a set of twelve. Remember the difference  I said before the Brutish way of grading does not use the Sheldon scale. Now. MS 65 here is classified as is in England. That means like it just came of the die.. That's why a MS 62 to 65 here is worth more in England than here. However to get that grade is hard. Your dealing with tokens from the 1700's.       This new set i will add into one two every two weeks or so. I don't want to put to many up at one time. I haven't even al my comments up . In was extremely tired. NGC gets all of the credit for there help. Now you will see MS 66 ,65, proof likes penny's and half penny's. The penny's are the size of half a dollar and broke many dies.. So you learn to appreciate them more. Now you just don't look at one and say this will grade a MS. There are many A/U that are just as beautidul. Why a little where will drop them down that's is far  beyond me. These tokens are just as good as a MS.     You can tell I'm American because I'm talking MS and A/U. Never in Britain. I use those terms because many send them in hoping for a good price. Again we don't care if it's Uncirirculaded that's all we are about. I wish they would just slab them without a grade to preserve the color and the detail. I was taught buy the coin not label. Well if your looking at a piece of coal and the label says MS 65 what's the point. You want to see the art one copper. You want to see the different parts of the British Isles. They were made in Ireland ,Scotland ,every were that Flag flew they made them. That's the beauty of them. Famous Abbey Cathedrals people buildings that have been standing for hundreds of years. These are the tokens I'm talking about. A school teacher in class. Farms and different equipment of the day. Wool and looms yes sheep were a large part of the economy. These are tokens. All different all beautiful and to this day I have seen them in MS 67. You dnt get that grade in modern coins. That's the Brutish token. We're lucky they took such great care of them. We must do the same. We must pass on this part of our hobby history. They took care of them for us how about future generations. Yes we owe it to them also. So take a peek you just might like what you see. Enjoy them like I do. Not only as art but as the history of a country. Thanks Mike.

MIKE BYRNE

MIKE BYRNE

02/19/2019

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02/21/2019

 

Collecting Coin,Tokens,Medals

Hi fellow collectors . I'm writing this today basic simple collecting. Why? Why do we do it? Why do we spend money to buy money? Some do it for an investment maybe an I.R.A. Some do it simply because we like it. That's me.I like it . Because not only is this hobby enjoyable it's interesting. We have a saying at the ANA. knowledge is power. I be live that four year of college I have learned more about world history and our history researching what I collect. Everything tells a story. I look down at a coin or token I want to know why it was made were when and how. Now our coinage it's history compared to the rest of the world is short but just as interesting. Tokens tell a different story. They tell of survival saving a country a family that needed food during war and had financial times. Most collectors go for coins I still do. But tokens I feel get a raw deal. I saw a Brutish tokens It came the Social and political series in MS 61 well it sold for twenty seven thousand dollars it was of George Washington. One of the grading company's graded One MS 66 same  of George Washington marked best of kind. Now I called an auction house in England  were i was told that could sell for sixty thousand that was Baldwin's Basement now Baldwin's St. James. It has changed hands why mintage and it's beautiful. But saditily it's only a token. Yes one they wished they owned. The civil  war tokens saved the feet of soldiers food for there family back home. Just tokens. Some go for tens of thousands. Coins come with the same prices but that's because of mintage when it was made and by who nothing wrong with that. Especially when it was made here. By a St Gaudins or a Morgan or Barber. I'm not  writing telling anyone what to collect. That's a golden rule we collect what we like what brings us enjoyment. I'm into detail and workmanship rarity condition. Spanish coins were legal tender during the fight for Independence. Reals, all different denominations. Soldiers had to be paid. They would send it home. Some were made by a die sinker named Suttler. He sold the less than a mile from the battlefield and both confederate and the army of the Platonic bought at the same time.  They bought what they like and I encourage you to by what you like. If your buying to flip them that's easy your not a collector. A collector collects to own. Then one day it comes to all of us it's time to make that decision. Does it go to the kids or the family or do you sell it. It's a tough one mine is already in my will my boys will get it all but one set. The Kempson Coventry set will go to Heritage and the money to the wife. So I touched on a few things. I hope you enjoyed it. If not I can take it. When your my age you have heard it all. Take care keep collecting Mike.              

MIKE BYRNE

MIKE BYRNE

02/15/2019

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02/15/2019

Conder Tokens of Great Britain

Hi everyone. Mike here just starting out on the Registry Site after twenty five years of collecting. Now I will write about myself later. This journal is about Conder tokens. Many have never heard of them. I didn't for years. I was searching one day and came across a token two big for a civil war token and bigger. It caught my eye. In the ANA we say collect what you like. Some collect to flip. Some collect to compete I'm just a regular collector with a very diverse set. This token the workmanship is what caught my eye and the wonderful detail. I mean I could count the bricks and windows. The date was in 1797! I said no not with this much detail but It was class all the way. It was telling me to buy me.. So I collected some many had all sorts of designs. A seller sent me a book they were expensive. I went through it ever town in England had tokens. Many great die sinkers manufacturers and designers. Then I saw it P.Kempson Coventry Tokens. I was  sold.   Now I looked there were nineteen tokens to the set. He had famous buildings spires , gates to protect the town, famous church's. Some built in the thirteen hundreds and some still standing today. I had to put this set together. Now I'm disabled how was I going to use this? No shows, no dealers. Couldn't travel. I found a seller of these Conder tokens on a site and contacted him. Sure i will give you a hand. I didn't know what to think but his record was perfect and had an auction every week. Now these tokens were made to help Britain avoid bankruptcy. They had the war for independence, a war with France ,a civil war, and the war of 1812.  People had these made to pay employees to feed them and there children buy clothes. They were made from a half penny to a penny. Many had edge writing telling you were you could redeem these for goods. Now depending on the edge writing and mintage, these were broken down two three category three R's  were the rarest two still rare and one also rare. Then you had scarce and common. But I wanted this set. I contacted Merfyn Williams the gentleman who would help me. I said a have about seven. I'm into about my second yeat. He told.me Mike this will be hard and take time. I don't know if anyone who completed one.  These tokens made by P.Kempson were made for other collectors people knew of his reputation for detail and work ethic. Now more on the tokens. Some will dispute the date when these were first made. Was It the 1760's or later!? I found Some in the 1750's. Very few. Some of the experts said some before that. These were private tokens. The bulk came from the 1760's on . Some simple some very intense in there design. I know I'm all over but there is just so much. Back to the set. I found one of the set here in the states. I searched hundreds of sites and auctions ,nothing. If Merfyn found one he would let me know how all of these if they were to be found were auctions. It took five years and two years looking for one. I was waving the huge flag but friends from the ANA like John Cava And World Coin Nut who also looked for me would pick me up. Finally after two years Merfyn sent an email. I found it. Now Conder collectors don't believe in grades or slabs I don't either but the previously eighteen were all MS red brown and even a proof like. So  I sent it in MS 64. It was over. I still can't find a complete set but mine is up. I dedicated it to all the young kids and regular collectors like myself . Never give up. If you like  a set go for it. If you have been blessed no set is impossible. If your middle class it's easier. Young well wait till you have a good job stay in school and collect on a budget. I donated it to the hobby. Remember i was told many times no way it's impossible. It's 222 years old and the mintage   was low. It didn't stop me. I wanted to leave something special to my kids and thanks to many people who kept me going and Merfyn who else could find them he lived were they made them but wouldn't dare try it. So take a peek at the impossible set. To old some missing not enough made. The odds were not in my favor  by famous long shot me but I'm a coin collector we don't give up. It's a great hobby with good people. So there you have a taste of Conder tokens yes I was all over but so.we're they. The fun is in the hunt. Enjoy and never give up you may regret it someday. Take care more To follow Mike

MIKE BYRNE

MIKE BYRNE

02/11/2019

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02/14/2019