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  1. For months now I’ve been crossing my fingers hoping that I’d get a nice bonus and we’d be able to pay off my student loans and maybe finish paying for the cruise we’re wanting to take in October.

    I’m still waiting to find out about if I’ll get a bonus this year, but we just got a big surprise on our Taxes. Because we can claim an extra dependent this year and a couple of other things this year, instead of owing money we’re going to get some back and this is going to let us pay off my loans, pay off the cruise and have a little left over. We may be able to use that to eliminate one other debt and, if we can, that’d be three big bills / debts off our plate.

    I have to wait until the money comes in and we can’t file until we get one last form, but my student loans are as good as dead - 6 years early. My reward for paying 2.5 times the normal payment every month that I could afford it.

    “PIF by borrower” are wonderful words.

    … Now to start working harder on her student loans. That… will take a while and be fun.

    Hey, maybe, if I do get a bonus, I really will get to treat myself a little!

    As it happens, just in the last couple of days, an NGC graded 1880 10G coin has come up for sale in an old fatty holder with a 1959XX serial number. I’d be a perfect addition to my set but the seller’s asking price is a bit steep. If I get a good bonus, I may try to make an offer and see if they’ll take something more reasonable for it. If I don’t get a bonus and it’s still available in a few weeks I may just negotiate a deal with my wife, just like I did when I got the 1888 in early 2018.

    If it’s still available when I’m ready to buy, I’ll be really excited to get that coin. But getting rid of these bills will feel great.

    I do sometimes question if I’d be better served to have put even more towards the bills and less than I currently do to the coins and the hobbies, but this is my fun, this is how I treat myself, and there are worse ways I could do it.

    Yup... I'm probably going to have a hard time using most of that grading credit if I keep going for things that are already graded.

  2. Hello Everyone,

    Does anyone out there know if there are plastic trays for the larger holders?  The holders that house kilo coins for example.

    And if they do exist, where could I buy them?

    Thank you for your help.


  3. Whitman Folder #9088 is a remarkable little folder, a typical 3 panel folder, that has transported me back in time to a wild island off the coast of North America. 9088, the Newfoundland Coin Type Collection consists of 7 denominations for 1 Queen, and 3 Kings of England.  Her Provincial coin collection starts with Queen Victoria in 1865 and ends with King George VI in 1947.   In 1949, Newfoundland joined Canada and became her 10th and last Province. 

    As I may have mentioned in previous blogs, I have a great affinity for Canada and enjoy collecting her coins and ephemera.  I became aware of the possibility of collecting Canadian Provincial issues after completing my Dansco Canada Type Album.  The provincial issues available, in order of their output are Newfoundland (20 coins), New Brunswick (5 coins), Nova Scotia (2 coins), and Prince Edward Island (1 coin).  Of course, these numbers do not count the numerous varieties available within each set.  I chose to start with Newfoundland because it has the greatest number of coins, it has the only Gold coin, and it has the only coin folder. 

    Newfoundland is also a fascinating place in its own right.  L'Anse aux Meadows, on the northeast coast of Newfoundland, is the site of the only confirmed Viking settlement in North America.  Gander on the east coast was the town where 38 Planes, refused entry to the United States, sheltered in the aftermath of 9/11.  The hospitality shown by Gander residents and numerous other Newfies, for the 6000 + passengers is heartwarming and has been the subject of books and documentaries.  

    The Newfoundland $2 gold coin was minted from 1865 to 1888 but was only minted in 6 years between 1865 and 1888.  This was the only gold coin issued by any of the provinces, they chose the denomination because a silver Dollar was considered to heavy for a pocket and a $1 gold coin was considered to small and light.  The $2 was deemed just the right size.  My example is graded AU 55 by NGC.  I am happy to have completed my Newfoundland type set.  Now I move on to New Brunswick, 2 coins down 3 to go.  Completing the Newfoundland set has been a wonderful experience, I hope all your collecting endeavors are equally enjoyable.

    Designer: Leonard C. Wyon

    Weight: 3.328 grams

    Diameter: 17.98 mm

    Fineness: .917 gold, .083 Copper  .0981 oz


    Haxby, James A. : A Guide book of Canadian Coins and Tokens, 1st edition



  4. I started buying the Netherlands gold ducats in 2009 after reading a book called "A Splendid Trade."  Also that year I read "Pirate Hunter" about Captain Kidd from New York, and how he got done dirty by the new Dutch King William of England of the late 1600's / early 1700's.  I checked on Ebay, my go-to source at the time, and found I could get my hands on what turned out to be fairly common dates from the 1600's.  No matter.  Once I had a 1648 in my hands, and some warped worn out ones from the late 1500's, I was hooked, and it hasn't let up.  In the last four years I have divested many of those back to the sea of Ebay, but still have a nice 1612 and 1649 from the original crew.

    I thought to put this entry together after reading journals from other users about "making" new NGC coins in thinly-populated parts of the registry.  I commented that it was satisfying, despite usually finding that your raw coins have some problem or another leading to a "details" grade.  Lately I have picked up some raw examples and sent them to NGC, mostly finding that they were cleaned, filed, scratched, clipped, or otherwise damaged, despite looking pretty good.  Grade is barely half the battle with these coins, since each engraving is fairly different, and then the hand-striking and the variable waviness of the planchet all are sources of ugliness.  What I care about most is the face of the knight, and a non-wavy surface.  Most recently, I am looking for coins from dates that NGC and PCGS hasn't seen any examples, or any decent examples.  Here are four I won at auctions (both in Poland) or purchased directly from sellers in the Netherlands and Switzerland in the last three months, and got back from NGC as the best, and frequently only, example of their mint and year:

    The close-up heading up this entry is a 1635 of West Friesland that NGC graded MS61.  It is the most beautiful example of these four, whatever the numeric grade.  It is the only 1635 Netherlands ducat of any mint in any condition certified by NGC.  PCGS has certified one Gelderland ducat of 1635, at MS62, but it doesn't look good.  I found pictures of it an where it didn't sell at auction.

    The next is the scarcest of all of these, a 1622 West Friesland ducat.  It also is the least appealing. 1622.thumb.jpg.634ee6bf276584b391d681bf499fd887.jpg

    There are no others of this date from any mint in any condition certified by NGC, and PCGS has certified one, of Utrecht, with "tooling", which someone is trying to sell on Ebay now for $5,000 (this coin cost nothing close to that).  This coin here, which somehow got graded MS62, is the only mint-state graded ducat of any mint from the entire decade of the 1620's at NGC or PCGS.  Notwithstanding the grade, it doesn't look that great.  There is no detail on the face.  I dealt directly with a dealer in Switzerland to get this, who sent me some photos of the original collector's documents showing it to be from the collection of a Hans Erb, of Chur, Switzerland, active at the end of the 1800s.  There was not sufficient documentation to get that on the NGC label unfortunately.  The 1620's are the decade when the Dutch were the first to discover parts of the coast of Australia, and when they founded New Netherlands and New Amsterdam, which would later become New York.

    The next coin is a 1661 Utrecht ducat that I am grateful made it back without a problem because it looks a little beat up.  1661.thumb.jpg.f0b6ca86b29799cbab50347ea5bb91e2.jpg

    NGC said MS61, and that is kind of a gift.  NGC has also graded one of these of the same mint and date AU58, but that one has a blank face, like the 1622 I just covered.  That one recently sold at a Heritage auction, and I passed on it because of the head.  The 1660's are a decade when the Dutch engaged in one of their several wars with England and were accused of starting the great fire of London of 1666.  They probably didn't do it.  There are no better examples of this date and mint at NGC or PCGS.

    The last coin here is the second-best looking, a Utrecht ducat of 1697.  I was very concerned that, based on the weakness at the feet of the knight, this coin had been formerly mounted or in jewelry or something. 


    I also picked this one up by directly negotiating with a dealer in Amsterdam.  He was not able to tell me more than that this was consigned by a collector who got it "long ago" at a coin fair in Amsterdam.  My investigation into this coin's history is ongoing.  This coin is pictured, in black and white, as the example on NGC's "Numismaster" "Krause Publications" webpage for the issue, but without any explanation of where that photo comes from.  I have examined that photo carefully and determined that it is not just a black and white version of the photo used by the dealer who sold me the coin.  When I inquired about where that picture was from, NGC told me it was "proprietary information."  See:  .


    I have been looking at old catalogs and books, to the extent possible, on the Newman Numismatic Portal and Google Books without luck.  This is now the highest-graded Netherlands Ducat from any provincial mint of the 1690s, all of which come from Utrecht, including one other from 1697 in AU53, a 1696 in AU53, a 1695 in XF45, and one 1692 in MS61.  PCGS has only graded one Utrecht ducat from the 1690's, which is a 1694 in VF condition.  As I mentioned, I know for sure there is an excellent looking raw 1694 out there that someone else just won at auction.

    Part of the fun is the hunt, and the other part is bringing together long-separated buddies all struck in the Netherlands from their resting places around the world.  The knowledgeable European collectors of these coins do not put them in plastic cases, or care what NGC or PCGS says about them.  I have been personally reprimanded for doing this by some of them.  As one of these guys told me, it isn't a crime, it's just a bad habit.  Having the "finest graded" at NGC or PCGS doesn't come close to meaning the finest known. But, this is how I keep track of my collection, and fit these coins into my timeline of gold.  The same guy made good use of my ignorance to buy what probably is a very rare 1686 Holland ducat off me a couple years ago, which I was eager to part with because it had a dull appearance and earned a "surface hairlines" details grade by NGC.  Recognizing my mistake, I have been further motivated to seek out an even better replacement from that decade, the 1680's, so far without any luck. 


  5. As my original collection was British sixpences I seem to have a preference for the smaller denominations over trade coinage as these saw extensive day-to-day use and high grade examples are therefore much more of a challenge. This situation coupled with surprisingly limited data and research means that the opportunity to make new discoveries is much greater - or is it that I am just a glutton for punishment? For example at a recent auction a major London dealer thought my quest for die numbers on sixpences was 'mad' - and that's the polite version, as even the most complete 6d collections have not come close and, anyway, it may not even be possible.

    My last journal entry highlighted the discovery of an excellent example of the French 1808I 10 centimes however the upheaval of the French Revolution and the Napoleonic period was felt throughout Europe and beyond, most notably it precipitated the collapse of the Spanish Empire. It is no surprise that 8 reales are very popular with collectors, particularly the colonial issues, and as a result there are some excellent books on the subject and there has been extensive and outstanding research on both the 'real' issues and the many counterfeits - contemporary or modern. Naturally I was drawn to the smaller coins - 1/4, 1/2, 1, 2 and 4R - and found that detailed information was somewhat lacking, particularly for the 'home' Spanish issues and as a result I have picked up a few examples of these over the years.

    There were a few of these minors in rare high grades scattered amongst the 8 reales in the many January auctions and despite strong bids I only managed to pick up a single example, a Spanish 1808S CN 2 reales in NGC MS64.* As the last issue from the Seville mint for Charles IV it can usually be found in Fine/VF although an uncirculated example is very rare so I was happy to add this to my collection - my Registry Set now boasts a total of 3 coins out of a possible 41, so the prospects of completing this single country set in high grade does not look good but there is no harm in trying!#

    * I am still amazed that the 1781Mo FF 1/2 real went for $1800!
    # Graded coins currently exist at both services for only 19 of the 41 Charles IV issues with only 11 of them having mint state examples, often just a single coin - high grade raw coins also seem to be just as elusive if not more so. The Ferdinand VII coinage is an even greater undertaking as the French forces were occupying much of Spain by then resulting in many temporary mints being established. 


  6. I'm new to the world of pennies and am looking to purchase a 1909-S VDB penny in MS. But I see that this penny comes with further classifications of BN (brown?) and RB (red brown?) ( and maybe more?). My question is, which classification is more desirable and/or worth more -- the BN or RB? Thank you in advance for your help. 

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  7. Hello everyone,  I wanted to share the results of the batch of coins that I submitted at the FUN show a few weeks ago.  It only took 18 days for NGC to grade them and get them back to me.  That's pretty good for the volume of coins they received at the show!  I submitted 9 Libertads, and 4 of them came back a perfect 70, so I am quite pleased.  My only disappointment is the 1/10 oz gold coin came back MS 68.  I suppose that's just how the cookie crumbles sometimes.  If you can't tell from the picture, here is the list...

    2019 1/2 Oz Gold Reverse Proof - Reverse PF 70

    2019 1/10 Oz Gold BU - MS 68

    2019 1/20 Oz Gold BU - MS 69

    2018 1/20 Oz Gold BU - MS 69

    2019 5 Oz Silver Reverse Proof - Reverse PF 70

    2019 2 Oz Silver Antiqued - MS 70 Antiqued

    2017 1 Oz Silver Proof - PF 70 Ultra Cameo

    2016 1 Oz Silver Proof - PF 69 Ultra Cameo

    1987 1 Oz Silver Proof - PF 69 Ultra Cameo Lettered Edge


    On another note, I just did the math and realized I am exactly 50% complete with my Libertad typeset I have been working on.  If anyone is interested, check it out...  

    It's a work in progress, and I hope to add a lot more this year.  


  8. The Royal Mint just started a new series called Music Legends. It's an annual program and each year they'll feature a different band on silver, 1/4 gold, and 1oz gold coins. The first band was Queen and the two gold pieces sold out immediately. Here's mine, got it to add to my Symphony Set. The first modern band to make it into the Symphony Set!

  9. Well like I said in the title I'm upset again with the mint. Now I know they have put out some wonderful coins. I can't say they haven't. But I just found out that in 2020 were going hunting again. Or should I say your going hunting. There doing the same thing with the 2020 quarters as they did in the flop of 2019. There is a spin. A privy mark celebrating the end of world war two. Now I followed last year very close. So far I believe four percent of last year's have been found.There are two thousand plus on sale on ebay. The prices falling lower. I can't see bothering. I learned if something fails the first time it will fail the second time that's how the mint works. I'm not going to get into all the aspects of this. But as a good man said they will be out there for years. The public if you were to take a quarter and ask them were is the mint mark you will here what's a mint mark? Now understand this was to get more people into the hobby. How can you do that when the public does not even know there is this great American Hunt. They don't know about mint marks and they don't care. I think it's good for the kids in the program but that's as far as I go. So out your sneakers on get ready for.April I couldn't even tell you what a complete set slabed goes for? There are none on ebay. I'm sure There are few. Get lucky I hope The kids do find them but for serious collector's I don't know. Enjoy Mike


  10. To NGC and Staff members,

    I wanted to get back to you for such a nice write-up you did featuring my Jefferson collection. I've often known I made no mistake selecting this company where the quality service is often the deciding factor. The members who put this together 'Thanks so much' it means alot. This was a very exciting journey for me- so many ways to collect in this series'I wanted to get a little of each type. As much as I'd of loved to complete this collection'due to my health issues-it would be very difficult for me now. However' I will keep checking back to view the new players in the Ngc Registy'- I enjoy reading their journals excited when finding a particular nickel. I wish all at Ngc the very best and I look forward to staying in touch with you. 

     Respectively' James G. Berline

    PS: I'd love to hear from my old friends and new' text me when you get the time.

    (attachment of my collection-safely secured in safe deposit box)

    > My Email:

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  11. I have an NCS coin that comes back as an Invalid certification. Why would there be an Invalid certification on a coin in a NCS holder?

  12. namvette68
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    I am not a collector of Morgans. I have no clue, other than weight and sound, to check authenticity.

    I found this coin in a sub floor. 

    I am hoping it is good, but won't be disappointed if it's a fake.

    Thank you

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  13. My Grandfather mentioned in prior journal entries is my Grandfather on my father's side and I've been working away on a family tree information page on

    As I've mentioned, he was very family oriented and did everything he could to make his family members happy. He and my Grandmother lived closely to me my entire life so we were very close, as noted previously. New information is being added periodically to his Familysearch page as I and other relatives working on it discover them.

    There isn't anyway I can do justice for my grandfather with a single journal post as his life was varied and full of interesting stories passed down from him and other family members. I'm blessed to be able to link two of my favorite hobbies into one single entity and honor my grandfather in the result.

  14. Last month I received a notice that the bank I stored my coins at was closing and I had until February 4th to vacate my safe deposit boxes. Fortunately, I was able to rent another box close by and for cheaper than the boxes I had. Having secured a new and bigger box, the next step was to transport the coins to the new location.

    I was very uncomfortable transporting my coins from one location to the other and in particular standing at the teller window with my coins in a shoebox waiting to close out the old safe deposit boxes. You see, my bank had the misfortune of being held up last year and I did not want something like that to happen with thousands of dollars' worth of coins in my hand. Fortunately, both the clearing of the old boxes and the transfer to the new box went off without a hitch.

    That said, moving my collection did present a wonderful opportunity to reimage many of my coins. This meant that coins which haven't seen the light of day in years could now be easily reimaged to reflect the refining of my photography skills.

    Now, instead of driving from one bank to the next I made a detour home for pictures. To tell the truth, it sure felt good to hold these coins in my hands again after not looking at some of them for years. Now I like the security of a safe deposit box but if I want to easily view my coins, I will need to buy a home safe.

    After reimaging and editing my coins I thought to organize all my pictures into power-point presentations mirroring my NGC registry sets. For instance, I started with my 1834-1933 gold type set minus the 1907 high-relief St. Gaudens double-eagle. All the coins in the presentation are organized according to the definition and order of my NGC registry set. Thus, when I decide to sell my set and pull it down from the registry, I will always have my former coins to look at assembled as a set. To tell the truth, this is all I  had with the online registry since all my gold coins are off-site and not all that easily accessed. So, if I have the pictures why do I need a home safe? All these are important questions we need to answer for ourselves as we assess what level of risk we are willing to live with.

    Oftentimes, when I get to thinking one thing leads to another and I began to think about eventually dissolving my entire collection before I pass away so as not to leave my wife and kids with that responsibility. Don't worry, reports of my demise are greatly exaggerated.

    What got me thinking this way is that my wife and kids have no interest in collecting coins. Thus, I think it is unfair to leave the liquidation of my collection to them when I am much more knowledgeable in the buying and selling of coins. Another point to consider is that who is more likely to get the most for the coins? I can't rationalize around that one, it's me.

    None of this is going to happen anytime soon as I am still actively collecting but at a much slower rate. Still, it is good and necessary to have a plan in place to make this happen before I am bedridden or worse. For my wife and kids, I'll offer them any coin from my collection they want for sentimental reasons. The other coins will be offered to certain collectors who might be eying my coins for their own collections. Otherwise, the low-cost coins will be handled through e-bay and the rest to a major auction house.

    In the meantime, I'll eventually have all my coins organized into power-point and word documents to enjoy for the rest of my life! Please enjoy this slide reimaged and made for my personal presentation! Gary.   


  15. First off, congratulations to all the registry participants and the winners of the 2019 registry awards.  As for me, I won a Classic Set award for my Mexico City 8 reales Pillar Dollars of Charles III (1760-1771).  This is my third major award and I had never posted about them in the past, but for this one I will make an exception.  I want to highlight the wonderfully broad approach that the NGC judges have chosen in selecting sets for their awards.  I haven't yet browsed through all of the other winning sets but I'm sure that mine is more of an outlier than most.  To start with, the advertised criteria for Classic Sets is "US or World Sets, 1792-1964" so my set has somehow slipped through the time-frame constraint.  But the point I want to emphasize is that, using my set as an example, you don't necessarily need the highest grade coins to be considered for an award.  I built much of this set from raw examples -- and most of my coins fall in the XF range!  

    Now, I know that many collectors that use the NGC journals or forums are not keen on registry participation for all of the valid reasons that you've posted but maybe some of you might reconsider your opinions.  I believe there are many magnificent collections out there that are just waiting to be recognized.

    Here is, perhaps, my least impressive coin from my set, grade-wise. VF details, but still a quite scarce variety.



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  16. Marine Forever

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    This writing is not intended to anger anyone but rather to spark conversation regarding NGCs decision to allow PCGS graded coins to be added to NGC Registry competitive sets. In my opinion sometimes corporate decisions are made by bowing to the demands made by the loudest voices and not by what is right. I believe that it is far more difficult to obtain a higher grade in any coin with NGC than PCGS. This being said PCGS graded coins will be allowed to compete in NGC registry sets and given the same weight when even an untrained eye can see the difference in like graded coins. I feel this is an unfair advantage with the PCGS coins. PCGS has their own registry for a reason as did NGC. I am not maligning PCGS coins but I will state that in my opinion PCGS grade standards are for less stringent than NGC grade levels. This creates an uneven playing field. I have no problem with sets allowing collectors to showcase their PCGS coins on NGC registries. My issue is with allowing them to compete with NGC only (sets that only contain NGC coins) sets. I own a lot of NGC graded coins and not one graded coin from any other grading company because of their stringent requirement for each grade level. I have never collected coins based on monetary gain but rather first based on history and second on artistic beauty. My collections will never hold any graded coin other than NGC and I don't feel I should have to compete with a less stringently graded coin in a set. Again, I cannot stress this enough, my opinion is that there is a place for PCGS coins to compete but it is not in an NGC registry competitive set. I am betting that I am not the only one that has this opinion and would like to hear other opinions on this as I am always open to everyone's views and opinions. Maybe I will be convinced to change my opinion.

  17. Fake or real

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    I have this 1815 one dollar coin and I am wondering whether it is real or fake. 

    Please help me. 


  18. I believe that I am speaking on behalf of most collectors in here when I say that I welcome the inclusion of PCGS coins back on the NGC registry sets.  I think that NGCs construction of an all inclusive registry/database will continue to set them apart from other grading companies.  I prefer the design and layout of the NGC registry, along with the user friendly interface, will continue to attract the best coins to their site and service regardless of the holder.  Thank you NGC, from all of us.


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    I write this to protest NGC's decision to allow PCGS-certified coins back into the registry. After all, it was just a couple of years ago that NGC leadership made a big presentation about how PCGS coins could no longer compete in the registry.

    I feel that NGC's going back on this policy is a slap in the face of those collectors (myself included) who go to great lengths to ensure that their sets are 100% NGC certified 


  19. VSI68

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        I don’t know what other collectors think about NGC’s new policy but as for myself I think it’s good for these coins to be included.I don’t have many PCGS coins in my collection but I do have some I would like to add to my current Registry Type Set. I was able to use my PCGS coins in my Custom Set but not in any Registry Sets.To me this policy made no sense so I was glad to see the change.

     I would like to know what my fellow collectors think about this new policy both good and bad.

      By the way this is my first journal entry and a new area of the Collector’s Society I decided to explore.




  20. At a recent coin show, not long ago, I purchased 6 ancient Greek coins, 1 fairly old Japanese and 1 Spanish treasure coin.  I don't usually dive into a stack of unknowns unless I know a little bit about what I am doing as my stash got out of control, lapping up coins like a hungry cat on a dish of cream.  So, with not the irrational exuberance I used to be under, I have been shedding more common coins and looking to be the only one holding a certain item.  So, after asking a coupla dealers what they were worth, I went ahead and bought a bag of unknowns.  Right off the bat I sold one for about what I had in the whole stash, so figuring I was onto something, I had the rest of them graded and was quite happy with the results.

    Got back coins from early as the 5th century BC and I am very excited about 'branching out' as it were.  

    I find that in ancient Greece, there were thousands (2000+) polis's [city states] and each one made its own money/coins/currency.  That being said, delving into their history, dates (which are not on the coins) and pedigree (where and when they are from) can be a daunting task.  Just going on line and putting in what you think may lead you to your coin, is a fool's errand, unless you have unlimited time and even as a retired fellow, there are 'other things'.

    So, I had NGC do the legwork, and now I'm taking it from there.  I have seen that NGC doesn't cooperate a lot as there are no census figures, actual dates, prices and so on. And with that being said, they don't even recognize the coin beyond their description, so to put one a set, much less the registry, one must begin jumping through hoops.  So, be sure you are on track you want to be on.  I am going to pursue this avenue as I believe it will lead me down an unknown [to me] history lesson of the 1st magnitude.  

    I am going to attempt to put up pictures of my Greek Treasures, but if not here, perhaps you could go to my set registry and see them there.


    Anyway, happy collections to all.

  21. Goldenboy#1

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    I am in need of a 2015 W $10 gold Eagle NGC PF 70

    anyone looking to sell one for a reasonable price?